Kojima will be 'deeply' involved with Metal Gear Solid: Rising

[Onyxmeth]

JEDE3 said:

Onyxmeth said:

JEDE3 said:
I've been saying all through the thread that it would need to have more similarities than just the hero needs to destroy a walking tank to not be a spin off. What people have been arguing with me about is that it isn't one.

The Metal Gears are the Universe that the story takes place in. The technology that bad men are trying to get a hold of in order to dominate. So of course the Metal Gears will be in MGSR. But I'll say it again. There needs to be more similarities.

I don't know why people are so defensive about calling it what it is. In no way does that mean it will be a bad game. Just because it's a spin off doesn't mean it needs to be in the same league as Mario vs Mario Party. Hell, Frasier was a spin off of Cheers and I think Frasier was a better show.

The whole series is about the walking tanks. They aren't a universe either, just the main plot point of EVERY Metal Gear game. Kojima has already established Raiden as a character that CAN headline a real Metal Gear Solid game, so him being the main character should not necessarily be a deterrent in the matter. Really there's no piece of evidence present that suggests this will be anything but a continuation or fleshing out of the current storyline.

Let me ask you, what other games do you consider spin offs that hold the same similarities this game may potentially hold to the source material?

FINALLY! a logical poster who isn't out for blood.

Raiden headlined MGS2 but it was still Snakes story. Liquid Snake which was Snakes clone was the bad guy.

Numerous times I have said "If it doesnt" I guess people translate that meaning "It will be" I don't know what story will take place but if it branches into Raidens character and then a Raiden saga emerges I consider that a spin off considering the series so far has been Snakes.

I don't know... what other games are so cluttered fucked in the story?

Well that's where we differ I suppose. I always considered MGS2 Raiden's story, or about Raiden's role in the story. Really the whole test scenario was to reenact Shadow Moses with Raiden in Snake's place. Your main emotional drive in the story involves Rose and Raiden, which really doesn't tie into Snake's story at all. Solidus is barely in the game at all on top of it and neither is Snake. Really I think you nailed it in your last sentence. The story is too cluttered at this point to differentiate spin off from main title. The way I see it, as long as this adds to the value of the storyline present from the previous 7 canon Metal Gear titles, I feel it belongs right there alongside them. I'd rather leave the spin off labeling for titles like Metal Gear Acid, that are so much more removed from the series that they warrant the title.

Now I'm not saying anything is wrong with it being a spin off either. I just don't think it will be. Frankly, I hope this title is as different as can be, because I've still got a bitter taste in my mouth left by MGS4. I'm hoping between Rising and Peace Walker, I can get a little bit of that MGS magic back that seemed so absent from the last entry.