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naznatips on 14 June 2009
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Khuutra said:
naznatips said:
Khuutra said:
naznatips said:

Now you're just making stuff up. What roles? This isn't an MMO... we don't come equipped with tanks and healers. There are some "set strategies" like speed boost + baton pass or Salac + Sub + Belly Drum, but there are dozens of these alone, and some of the better players don't use any of these. Some teams are just made up of their own unique mixes of offense and defense, or creative uses of individual moves. There is no template for a Pokemon team. Please stop this discussion, as it's only going to get worse for you.

Before I continue: you are positing, then, that the primary function of certain Pokemon, such as Blissey and Empoleon, is not that of the Special Wall, which are used almost exclusively to absorb hits from special attackers?

That's correct. There is no purpose in a special tank, unless they have another purpose unique to them. Let's use Blissey, since you decided to pick her. Blissey can be: the status giver, the healer, the sweeper, the stealth rock supporter, or more. Her special defense is just an attribute, not her strategy.

Thank you for pointing this out for me, I had forgotten much of the lingo (though I missed the part where Blissey could be a sweeper, apparently, especially with her speed).

You've just gone on to illustrate my point further, though. You didn't take away from the idea of Pokemon fulfilling roles, you just set up the idea that each Pokemon can fill out multiple roles. The roles are still there, and they're still necessary in order to be competitively viable.

Again, the complexity of the game is not inherent to its mechanics. The metagame revolves around game theory, and severely limits the number of viable ways in which any given battle may be approached.

If you consider something like "stealth rock supporter" a role, then you basically just stated that every single move has a role behind it. She's only a sweeper cause of Calm Mind, again, you are making an entire role around a single move. Choice band or scarf can be a role too then... or mixed sweeper, or salac berry, or speed boost, or thunder wave, or hypnosis, or dragon dance, or anything. Every single move is a role then by your statement, in which case the possible "roles" are endless.

So yeah, I think that's a pretty apt description.