Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
@Kasz. I didnt say that Christianity caused those things (which it didnt, those things would have been done anyway, by different people for different reasons) but rather that those things spread Christianity. The word of Christ was spread at the point of a sword during those times, peoples were conquered and converted. |
See i think the same things would of been done by the roughly the same people who would have gotten to their positions just through another way. Assuming we're talking about an alternate universe where only religion doesn't exist. People always overlook how one little thing can change things, like for example how much of a longshot it is for you to be born. I mean you're half one of who knows how many sperm, then at the right time, at the right date... etc. This is really a tangent but it's an interesting thought. Either way i'm sure it doesn't matter. One could make people eat rice by force because rice is the easiest thing to grow and that doesn't make rice any more sinister. Either way, if there's no proof for something one way or another i'm not going to make fun of someone for believeing what they believe. If someone wants to beleive pink dragons exist in the universe, hey why not. There are any on this planet as far as we know but we haven't seen every planet, who knows if there's life elsewhere and if there a pink things we would call dragons in one of those places. Now if someone were to say Pink Dragons existed on earth. There we might have a problem. If someone wants to believe in Thor go ahead. Until someone shows me a mathematic proof i'm not ready to say there isn't a god. Also, even if someone does show me a mathemetical proof that says there is no god i probably won't accept it because i'm nowhere near good enough at math to decipher mathematical proofs. I mean i heard someone found a mathematical proof that says alternate universes might exist. How's that work? That's the real problem though. Just because science can't currently detet something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Sub-Atomic Particles, Dark Matter, Dark Energy. These all exist.(Probably, I think there is still debate over Dark Energy since we don't have a lot of proof on it.) They still existed when we did not have proof. Someone who believed in sub atomic particles before we could see them would of been correct. The belief the universe is planet is flat and luminerious ether don't exist we have proof. The truth is. You don't have to prove something exists in this world. You have to prove it doesn't exist. Because the absense of proof doesn't mean that something doesn't exist. The only thing that proves something doesn't exist is proof that something doesn't exist. That's another reason i wouldn't want to be an atheist. You can't really win this arguement because there is no way to prove God doesn't exist. Well excepet possibly one of those really strange math proofs. While all someone who believes in god has to do is wait. A hard thing to do, but eventually if right, they'll be proven right when the whole afterlife thing kicks in. Of course this is rarely the case as religious people often try to convinvce atheists god exists. Which I'm sure gets annoying, but i mean think about it from their end. They think your going to spend forever in a place worse then a WNBA game. Of course that's where i generally have a breakdown as far as mainstream christianity goes. How could anyone be happy in heaven when they knew a bunch of people they knew... or heck 1 person they knew was in hell? Heck I wouldn't consider my afterlife a perfect place if I knew someone I knew was facing eternal punsihment. Even if it was someone I really hated. Heck I'm not even sure i could rest easy knowing Adolf Hitler was in a place where he was tortured forever, likely because nobody has ever wronged me enough. Of course I don't think hitler should get in the "buffet line" with everyone else either. But either way i'm not God so i really don't know what you'd do in such a sitation. Anything less then what everyone else got and one of hitlers relatives who wasn't pure evil likely would be upset. (I would of said parents, but from all accounts they were both jerks if i remember right.) I suppose this is just another tangent though. Which happens when it's 5:30 am and you've yet to sleep. So i'll wrap this up with yet another tangent. It all does remind me of one holy text spread around by a group of christianity that was mostly destroyed. It might of been part of the dead sea scrolls or recovered elsewhere. I believe it was Jesus to one of his disciples after jesus died who asked a similar question to mine above to which jesus said something like "Don't tell anybody but everyone gets into heaven." or something along those lines. Which would probably be the most favorable option if those who believe in god are right. Then again an eternity of someone saying "I told you so" might be hell for some people. | 
