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Kasz216 on 07 June 2009
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rocketpig said:
Kasz216 said:

Also, if big men are more valuable... they're better players. If when building a team you would rather have Shaq in his prime then Kobe.... Shaq is the better player.

If you judged how good they were by adjusting for position some Place Kicker might be the best kicker in the NFL... or you could make an arguement that Spud Webb was the greatest ever because he did so well being so short.

Guys like Shaq are rarer, not necessarily better. The point is that you can find a "good enough" shooting guard to go alongside a big man while it's harder to find an effective center to go with a great guard.

You have to adjust for position. Removing position from the argument makes no sense whatsover. You can't judge a player without considering position, length of time played, and his contemporaries.

Guys like Shaq are rarer?  No.  They're just more valuable.  Great Shooting Guards are rarer.

There are more great Centers then there are Shooting Guards.

You've got Jordan in one tier.  West and Byrant in a second tier... then George Gervin in a third... then who?  Allen Iverson? 

Now great Centers... you can name tons.  Kareem, Shaq, Russel, Wilt, Olajuwan....

There are tons of Centers at the top of their game in comparison.

You would take Shaq over Kobe.  You would not take Shaq over MJ though.

If a shooting guard isn't as important as a center then the shooting guard is going to have to be a hell of a lot better then the center to be considered a better player.

Nobody is going to argue that Adam Vinatari is more valuable then Tom Brady because Vinatari is better at his position then Tom Brady is as it his.