"Gran Turismo does not move the genre foreward, Forza does."

[Onyxmeth]

Fame_Mcswagg said:

Onyxmeth said:

For those refuting the claims that Forza is moving the genre forward in comparison to GT, can you at least give reasonable arguments? I haven't heard one thing thus far from anyone saying GT is in fact the one pushing the genre forward that has proven anything. More pro racers play it? Not moving the industry forward. Better graphics? I suppose it's moving the industry forward a bit, but ultimately it can be the same game if it looks like Forza or if it looks like GT. It doesn't affect the game at all. More cars/tracks? Very cool. Selection is great. Moving the genre forward though? Hardly. It's just a dick measuring contest.

I would just like to hear from fans of GT what they have added to their games that is unlike anything we've seen in Forza. What Forza has advanced is evident. It's been said throughout this thread. What has GT done to actually move the genre forward? What does Forza need to catch up on?

well to start...attention to detail.from the tracks to how each car actually performs. gt does this far better than anyone thats why saying the pros use it is valid...before gt there was just racing games. gt is a true driving sim......I would also like to add i know nothing of forza never played. but i do know what gt offers. i asked about previous forza titles and all i got was graphics and damage nothing really crazy is there anything im missing?

Online gameplay. That's pretty significant for a racing game, don't you think? Let me clarify also. I don't believe Forza is pushing the genre forward at all. Other sims I believe went online before Forza. However, in the vacuum argument of only comparing GT to Forza, Forza has had a lot of features, including online, damage and external customization(I'm not totally sure of this last one still, no one has refuted it yet) before they were in Gran Turismo.

I think the real problem is that what GT may offer over Forza, an increased amount of realism, simply can't be proven. Forza is close enough that a legitimate argument can be made that it's just as good. To definitively prove GT is more realistic, it would take an in depth video with explanation pitting both games against another, and that just doesn't exist. What Forza has offered is features GT has had to catch up on, and that is as black and white as it gets.

If I seem unsure of myself in some of my statements, it's because I'm not very familiar with either series. I don't like racing simulators much at all, so I can't offer too much as far as detailed info.