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Soleron said:

No, I'm being a scientist because I want to help society. I could easily become a doctor if money was my only motivation. Typical salaries for research scientists are 25k or so, yet I'll have to work a lot harder studying than if I wanted to become a binman. And then I'll have to work many more hours than a binman. Finally, binmen have better pensions because they are state employees.

There is a need for some binmen-level workers; these can be filled by the idiots who don't work at school. They should drop out at 16. Idiots and lazy people can't become businessmen. Yes, people who become binmen DO NOT DESERVE the same standard of living as a businessman or other jobs that pay well. That's what I'm saying.

Your first statement makes no sense because nurses earn MORE than most businessmen. But I agree, if they choose to be a binman rather than a businessman they should earn less because they are not fulfilling their potential [Anyone can be a binman but it takes talent and hard work to be a businessman].

Like I said earlier, the value to jobs is whatever the free market determines. Intefering with that via taxation is interfering with the system that has produced the highest average standard of living in history.

many nurses, i know because i know people who are nurses, earn the average wage or less, im sure theyre are more wealthy ones, but i dobt they get all the loopholes a bussinessman does

would you not agree though, that if the binman is struggling to pay for food, that the government should help them?

the standard of living in the UK, is not from what ive seen/heard anywhere near what you two think it is.

according to the free market though, the rich get lots of money, often for doing less than the poor who get little or no help in a truly capitalistic system