Should we welcome Xbox 360 to computer gaming?

[Zlejedi]

nightsurge said:

Gnizmo said:

nightsurge said:

I looked up what you said, and it does appear that the HD 3850 just barely pulls off with playable fram rates provided no AA or AF is enabled.  29 FPS average and 20 minimum.

Still can't match the performance on 1080p, though

And I am still waiting on someone to find me a retail PC for $500 that has a good enough setup for gaming equal to 360/PS3 levels.

This is getting tiresome. I have the game set for 4X AA and 15X AF. The resokution is slightly off of 1080P, but it runs a second monitor simulataneously that is 1024X768. I am reasonable certain that will tax my computer far more than a simple bump to 1080p will. I am looking for a way to get the exact FPS for you so I can give you the right numbers. You are simply wrong.

 My set-up isn't retail, but without the monitor it would have been below $500 slightly. This was a year ago so it would be a bit cheaper now to build an identical system. I suppose the reason no one takes you up on your challenge though is you are just making up facts as you go along. You can claim to know more all you want, but I have first hand experience with this rig that says you are talking out your ass.

Then I find that very hard to believe you are getting above 20 FPS for those settings.  Download FRAPS and run it while playing.

I do not have first hand experience with your exact card, but I have experience with a wide set of other video cards and hardware very similar.  Perhaps it is just Fallout 3 is no where near as demanding as most recent games are on the GPU.  I just had an HD 4830 and it could barely handle all my games (Red Alert 3, Crysis, Far Cry 2, Fear 2, and more) on 1680x1050 and it is much better than your video card.  The rest of my system was nearly identical to yours except my CPU was a dual core Kuma overclocked to 3.6GHz.

No one is taking me up on my challenge because there is no "retail" PC that exists which can do what I say.  Anyone can go build a PC for sub $500 to do what a PS3/360 can do, but to buy one at retail like you buy a PS3/360 you will not find anything comparable for $500.

And I'm not making up facts.  I was making my claims based on similar hardware I had used and on all the benchmarks I had seen.  The one for your card and Fallout 3 showed only 29FPS at 1680x1050 with no AA/AF and dropped even lower once those were enabled.

Becouse every smart pc gamer knows retail machines are overpriced crap ?