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Kasz216 on 30 May 2009
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Rath said:
fmc83 said:
Slimebeast said:
 


Well, Im sure Squill understands Im playing with him. Im very well aware of how nice NZ are to Maories (in my own controversial opinion they are too nice and digging their own grave). But still, formally, the white New Zeelanders could be seen as invaders, even if they are very nice and regretful invaders nowadays. ^^

 

Then you hopefully see as well, how ridiculous your opinion is in this case, when you compare a country with more then twice the square kilometres as England (alone) with 1/10th of the population digging their own grave by accepting the Maori. Actually the case is even more ridiculous, as the invaders, lost a war against the Maori, which led to a peace proclamation and the Maori being full citizens of the english governed New Zealand.

The invaders signed a treaty guaranteeing the Maori rights to their land and treasures and then had a war with them, won, and confiscated millions of acres of land. Thats a fuck up New Zealand is still paying for today, hopefully they can get all the treaty claims sorted sometime =/

 

Israel isn't even looking for peace at the moment, the only way they will obtain peace is to remove their incursions into the West Bank and allow a Palestinian state to form with East Jerusalem as the capital. America does need to put more pressure on Israel to move them towards finally reaching a solution with the Palestinians.

I also don't agree with the Arab worlds, especially Iran's and Hamas', positions on Israel. Israel is there, its going to stay there. No amount of posturing is going to get rid of Israel, which militarily can take on the rest of the Arab world combined. Doing all this 'Israel must be destroyed' stuff is just slowing down the peace process.

 

I'm honestly amazed by the views in this thread, are people entirely blind to the fact that Israel is flawed just like every other country? Its responsible for its own fair share of the conflict in the middle east.

 

I don't people think that.  I think in general people think it's ridicilious to expect Israel to give a country to people who are constantly firing rockets at them and electing leaders who want to "Wipe them off the map."

Hamas won that election fair and square and should be considered the legal rulers of Gaza.  They simply aren't beause the international community does not like what that would entail.  Aka the attacks that were once terrorist are now acts of war.  Allowing Israel even more free reign in the conflict.

As such the International community is propping up a bunch of corrupt politicians who are pretty worthless themselves.  Even if a peace was reached, Hamas wouldn't agree to it and they have the peoples support.

There is no real way for a peace to be reached as long as the people support Hamas more then the opposite party.

The recent shift towards Palestinian support towards the chosen puppet regime has given Hamas unintentional free reign and pushed Israel in a corner.