Non Sequor on 17 May 2009
TheRealMafoo said:
Non Sequor said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Non Sequor said: Ah relax, this sort of thing has played out plenty of times before. One set of guys comes in and fixes some things, fucks up other things, and then later the other team is up to bat again and they fuck up some things and fix other things.
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So to wrap it all up, congratulations on your marriage and I'm sorry you've been left holding the bag, but that's always happening to someone. My suggestion is to keep your mouth shut and let both sides propose their batshit schemes and watch how they play out. The other side will eventually knock down the worst of them and a few may actually work.
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The real reason for this thread, (and most of my political threads), is giving our leaders to much power is never a good thing. We are in a world right now where it would be very easy for Obama to collect a lot more power. A lot of the country sees him as the second coming. He can do no wrong, and the best for the country is to just put all of our lives in his hands.
He is no better or worse then the last guy, or if the power is the same, the next guy. The problem is not the man, but the power you give him. I am trying to open peoples eyes to how this man is just another man, prone to attempt to use his power to try and help people, only to end the end screw things up with it.
The passages I quoted from you, show you already understand this, and thus you are not my target audience. Thanks by the way, I can't wait to me married!
I should put this in my quote block:
Describe who I am talking about Bush or Obama: I hope to use all my power, and maybe ever a little I shouldn't have, to change the world in way that's better for all that live in it. Answer: both. (the last 8 years showed how effective that is).
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I think you understand most of the truth, but not quite all of it.
I think there's a corollary to that maxim from President Ford in your signature:
A government small enough to not take anything away from you is a government small enough to not be able to prevent others from taking everything you have.
The government's just the big bully we've put together to help us deal with the smaller bullies. Make the big bully smaller and the smaller bullies get bigger. There's no way of objectively deciding who we should be more scared of.
For the past hundred years or so, people have been more afraid of the smaller bullies. At some point we'll probably see that pushed to a point where it's clearly too far and the pendulum will swing back in the other direction. It's not clear where that point will be and it's not my place to answer that question for other people.
You know a great philosopher once said, "the day destroys the night; the night divides the day."
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Well, there is protection, and parenting. This law fully falls on the side of parenting. That should never be a governments job of a free country.
The only thing this law protects you from, is yourself. Not a fan of it.
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Duly noted. But other people may feel differently. Different people have different ideas about how government should behave.
The question is, will this law create good or bad incentives? So far we've seen at least one bad one, but there may be good ones yet to reveal themselves.
You've got to give them the time it takes to figure out if they've screwed it up better or screwed it up worse. The democrats have won four years in the sand box so let's give them some time to see if they can build anything that will stay up. Let the people get what they asked for and we'll see if they like it when they do.
The only things that should be completely out of consideration are ideas which cannot be justified without using the phrase "the ends justify the means." That's when you know someone is going to do something monstrous and horrible.
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