| Staude said: Read above.
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Re-iterating a broken argument does not magically fix it.
| Staude said: Co-op Stands for Co-operative. IE dealing with things multiple people. ERGO It has Co-Op
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OK, use CoD: W@W instead and you have real campaign co-op in 4 player split-screen, Resistance 2 doesn't have either.
| Staude said: The fact that the whole game is streamed and achieves the visuals it does with the things going on at screen, not to mention the places where you can see huuuge enviroments counts too.
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All the games I mentioned above do this as well, sometimes in sandbox and sometimes in splitscreen and sometimes in both, but Uncharted 2 doesn't. Is Naughty Dog giving up? That seems lazy.
| Staude said: what ? In comparison all your mentioned games has 1. Fail. |
1 game that's multiplatform is all you need, it's very interesting Sony isn't able to brings it's exclusives up to the minimum bar.
Besides I can use Assassins Creed, Assassins Creed 2, the inevitable AC3, Prince of Persia (hopefully thats a trilogy too) and apparently the LAST GENERATION Prince of Persia trilogy as well. Also all sports games as well.
Ouch, Uncharted behind last gen games too? Ouch.
| Staude said: All your mentioned games has less. And that's uncharted 1. Congratulations. Your argument fails. Again. |
TBH i don't think Uncharted should really count, we've already confirmed it doesn't have the animations of last gen games, so it's not going to match other current generation games. Another instance of multiplatform games going further, doing more.
| Staude said: UE 3.5 is nothing. It basically runs on maps. You know nothing of which you speak while i do. Your arguments are rediculous and faulty. |
lol, TBH you're one of the least intelligent folks i've debated with and i've spoken to some real zoomz. You claim you know what you're talking about, then bring up maps FOR NO REASON and can't even spell "ridiculous" correctly, if you're a games coder, that would definitely explain Big Rigs.
| Staude said: Did you know the cryengine tech demos city part looks far worse than killzone 2 ? |
I did indeed, but did you know CE3 destroys the outdoor levels of KZ2 and Rage destroys KZ2 in every way.
I am very much looking forward to it's release. I'm interested to see how Sony will manage to get every single exclusive to look that good, at 60FPS, especially as it would seem the PS3 has peaked.
| Staude said: You are comparing visual fidelity with tech which gives me the impression you have no clue as to how much else is going on technically in a game. |
Well since RE5 & Gears 2 look better than Uncharted 2 and have split-screen, this would make the winners wouldn't it. After all, thy're technically superior.
| Staude said: Who cares ? One is from a small developer, the other is from a big. And i haven't played either so how would i know ? |
Well there are pictures and places where the pictures move and they show you what the pictures look like when moving. It's going to be big.
| Staude said: Furthermore it's not a first party game either. It's funny you nitpick that specific small exclusive game with that developed by the biggest company in the history over 5 years and counting. |
Exactly, it's the talent. Square Enix is more talented at graphics then Level 5, so their multiplatform games look better than their exclusives. Just like Infinity Ward is more talented than Insomniac, Dice is more talented than Zipper, Capcom more talented then Naughty Dog and Epic.
Again, this could have been very different if the PS3 was lead platform for everything, but thankfully it's resulted in better looking games in general.
| Staude said: Do you develop games ? If you knew anything about this this conversation would look a lot different. Instead it's just me repeating my self to your faulty arguments. You must know nothing about these kind of things orelse you wouldn't be saying what you do. I believe you're simply arguing for the sake of argument. Because you don't wanna admit you're wrong. Or because you refuse to look into it because you're afread you might be. |
I do not develop games, but I know a fair bit about developing them. I also know that you don't know much at all - including your spelling, which is poor to say the least.I suspect you may be just repeating yourself because you are backed into a corner and don't know enough about game development to create a coherant response.
This explains why you brought up Uncharted 2 animation cycles like they were actually impressive, I of course knew better, but then I don't mind third party games looking better than exclusives, it's a good thing...unless you're a ardent PS3 fan, in which case that's another notch on the redundo-meter.
| They're disproven because i just disproved them. As they have been by others so many times over i'm amazed you haven't realised it. Unless ofcourse you've been on a vecation since 2007.
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What is a "vecation"? Research?
Bit of a poor argument? "Because I said so" doesn't help you in absence of cold hard facts. But again, backed into a corner. Is there someone else familiar with games design I could speak to?
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It's funny you refere to something i didn't say. I said they had 30 running on drake at once. And assassins creed has 1. ... While Uncharted has 30 for drake. Pwnd.
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Assassins Creed has over 1,200 at any one time. I don't know where you got that "1" from.
30? So that's 1/40th of the animation cycle of a near 2 year old game? Ouch.
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Theres a reason the ps3 is the one used by scientists and in the worlds strongest super computer. If the 360 had anywhere near the same juice, don't you think they would use that ? concidering it's half the price ofcourse.
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Probably because the Cell was designed to process congrual blocks of data which is fine for graphics and processing video or audio and SETI work units, this also means that unlike the Xenon that powers the Xbox 360, the Cell wasn't designed strictly for games. The Xenon is, it will never appear in any other non-gaming hardware. This is why Cell can't handle multiplatform games very well.
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All your arguments are based on opinon while some of mine are, others are not. Such as the animation system.
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No, no, no. All of yours are based on fanboyism. At least I can recognise that multiplatform games can look better than exclusives and that flows both ways y'know, i'm not just talking about PS3.
You believe that a multiplatform game can never look better than an exclusive, despite dozens and dozens of titles proving otherwise. Perhaps you would feel differently if the PS3 had the best version of multi-platform games, but that's looking unlikely, so you cling...eversotightly.
| Your god of war thing is wrong. 32 megabyte ram ? lol you can't compare it like that.
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| No it's not. I didn't have any problems during the game.
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Perhaps I have higher standards.
| So if Doom 2 got a 10 in graphics, does that mean it looks as good as gears of war 1 and better than gears of war 2, killzone 2, resident evil 5 and uncharted ?
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Except GoW2, RE5 and KZ2 all came out after Uncharted, yet despite supposedly "setting a bar" an exclusive to each system and a MULTIPLATFORM GAME still came out of it better than Uncharted. The consoles didn't change, but the talent does.
| It's a singleplayer action adventure game. Why every game suddenly has to have multiplayer to be complete, i don't know.
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Because it's the bare minimum, Naughty Dog doesn't even do that. Makes you wonder if it's the system being maxed out.
| Actually it's the Unreal engine. They've worked on the engine since the 90s and unreal 1. (with unreal engine 1. It's the same engine, they just upgrade it.. So fail again)
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The current generation UE3 has as much to do with UE1 or UE2 as the Uncharted Engine has to do with the Jak engines, so whatever you decide it couldn't be leveraged for your sake either way.
