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The problem with arguing about faith is that faith is an individual device. Yes, scientists have faith. They have faith in the infallabillity of their five senses and the machines they make telling them the truth. Sure, numbers don't lie, but our limited minds that interpret those numbers sure do. The fact is, reality is a faith-based system.

The only truth is that we as individuals exist. In other words, I know I exist. I don't know you exist, only you can know that. To me you are simply a perception. That's the only thing we can ever prove. Everything else is faith-based. Atheists, don't go around using logic to try and disprove God. If God created logic then he is not subject to it. And let's face it, logic is a house of cards. If logic were to fail even once then the entire structure comes falling down. Faith in God is cast in stone though. Hell, look at Bible Belt Christians. They think the devil created dinosaur bones and evidence of evolution to trick us. You can say they're crazy, but you can't prove they're wrong. You say science proves them wrong, but when did science become the end-all, be-all? It's simply the structure upon what this reality is based. Even scientists accept the fact that science is stranger than we could possibly imagine.

After all, in the end we come back to the basic precepts of existentialism. Existence is perception, and I perceive God, thus God exists. I need not prove it to you or anyone else, since I need not prove myself to an illusion. Of course, I don't 'believe' you're an illusion, but I think you get my point.

As for religion causing wars, that's such a strawman argument. In fact, it reminds me of a South Park episode (ironically, the one with the Nintendo Wii) where Cartman travels to the future. In that future, all religion has been abolished, but there are constant wars about 'which science is the correct science.' They even say things like "Praise science!" or "Oh my science!" in substitution for 'god'. Of course, ridiculous episode, but it makes a great point. If you actually believe that baloney about a Utopian world without religion where there are no wars and everyone lives in peace, then you are in denial about human nature. Religion and God are one of many excuses man has used to control and dominate others.

I know some of these things have already been addressed, but since this is my first post on an 11-page argument I figured I should be thorough.

One more thing I wanted to do was try and defend Catholicism, which has been the brunt of attacks from both believers and non-believers alike on this forum. I am a Catholic, and I'm aware how guilty the church has been of corruption. But targetting Catholics for trying to indoctrinate people and believing only their way is right...where do you all get off? Almost all branches of Christianity have been guilty of that, as have been Muslims, Jews, atheists (Soviet Russia anyone?) and...well, anyone in power. Power corrupts absolutely, and the church has had a lot of power over the years. But I still stand by the principle of the church, being united in a sense of worldwide community and practicing ages-old traditions to try and give us a more direct connection to Jesus. Maybe it'll take us another 2000 years to get it right, but that just makes us no different from any other system, and there's nothing wrong with those of us who choose to stick by it.

Sorry, Catholic boy once engaged to a Baptist girl...defending the church and its/my beliefs was a daily chore.