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[TheRealMafoo]

Bitmap Frogs said:

TheRealMafoo said:

Bitmap Frogs said:

And herein lies the heart of the issue: fines, jail, etc won't do jack as these kind of laws are essencially unenforceable without a public spending commitment the governments can't afford. 

You either invest on their countries so they don't need to come to your country or legalise everyone. There's no other way.

 

First off, I really do agree with you that government shouldn't spend money on commitments we can't afford. Glad we are both against the US having a National Healthcare program, and that Social Security needs massive reform.

But anyway, back to the topic.

 

I love the way you give two options, and say there is no other way.

 

In 2003, the number of companies fined for hiring illegal aliens, was 4. Yes, 4. The amount of revenue collected from those fines was 212 thousand. in 1999, we fined 182 companied for 1.6 million.

Hire me for 100k a year with a travel budget of 100k, and I promise you I will collect far more in fines then I cost. It's not an issue of expense. It's an issue of lobbyists.

 

Ah, it looks easy, doesn't it? But it isn't easy. Think past that.

If the pressure is high, the risk increases so business stop doing it. So the fines go down yet the costs of supporting inspectors is high. If the pressure is low, the risk diminishes so business employ illegal immigrants.

It's a no-win situation. Either the government spends huge amounts of money on it without return or the business break the law. That's why any politian brandishing this flag is yanking your chain: he/she knows it won't do jack.

Ah, nice attempt using the naitonal healthcare and social security. Speaking about commitments the government can't afford, what about one fifth of the budget spent on military? You surely should recognize it as an abusive expenditure the government can't afford - these latest years of massive deficits and increased debt are surely a proof of that.

 

 

You’re preaching to the choir. I am all for leaving Iraq and letting the UN deal with it. I am also for removing our bases from almost all the countries we are in. We have an amazing global surveillance system, and bombers that can take off from the US and be anywhere in 10 hours. Protect ourselves, and let the rest of the world deal with the rest of the world.

I am the smaller government guy.

As for the topic at hand, your argument is if we can’t stop it all; don’t do what we can to protect the laws. The same argument can be made for speeding. It’s way too costly to come up with a system that keeps every driver from speeding. This does not mean we should stop trying to keep anyone from speeding. Also, it’s a huge revenue generator.

Same could be said for enforcing immigration laws. Thousands of companies break them. We could employ 20 people who could generate millions of dollars for this country by enforcing the laws we have, and yet we don’t.

Why do you think that is?