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The Easley said:
@ makingmusic476, first off im not full of shit, im a grown man, im in the navy (seabee's you should look them up) and i dont lie especially about stupid shit dealing with play toys, i never once said the FINAL ps3 devs, i said kits, before the final ps3 devs there were partial devs, jsut like 360 had single core partial devs, dont be an accuser of lies makingmusic476 sony fanboy

Sorry for any misunderstanding, but what exacly did you mean when you made this statement:

"the ps3 had pure dev kis out before the 360 did, before the 360 came out with dev kits"

It sounded to me like you said the ps3 final dev kits were out before the 360's final.  Yes, there were beta, alpha, and any other number of ps3 devkits out prior to the final ones, but the same holds true for the 360. 

Hell, the original Uncharted trailer from E3 '06 was made on a PC.  Naughty Dog didn't even use devkits at the time, a half a year after the 360 had launched.  They just made the game using roughly the amount of resources they expected the ps3 would be able handle.  Obviously, the final ps3 hardware was able to handle more, hence the upgraded graphics of the game now that it's close to completion. 

And I know what the Seabees are, and I respect you greatly for your service to our country. My best friend is in the Air Force, and I seriously contemplated joining the Marine Reserves while attending college (I'm a sophomore).  However, I'm not going to let your military status keep me from calling bull when I see it.   Even if it's not what you intended to say, it's what you said, and you could confuse other people by saying it.