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Bitmap Frogs said:
Tyrannical said:
TheRealMafoo said:

That said, I am against jail time. The laws we have in place are good enough. We just need to enforce them. Check out how many companies in California have been punished for hiring illegals. You will be shocked to see how low that number is.

 With regards to hispanics living in California, the odds of a random hispanic being unable to work legaly is high enough that it warrants an inspection. So the fact that they can find work shows willful disrespect for the law.

 

With regards to negroes living in California, the odds of a random negro being involved in crime is high enough that it warrants an inspection. So the fact they have customers for their illegal business shows willful disrespect for the law.

Be careful with that argument, it can be twisted to justify all kinds of vulnerations of civil rights. 

Yeah, you're kind of misunderstanding the logic there.

Hiring an employee or selling alcohol to a customer both are similar in that you must make sure the receivers are legaly eligable. You migh not card some grey haired old looking guy when you sell alcohol, as chances are very slim he is under 21.

 When I hinted at a desire for jail time, I'm not talking in "years". Threaten someone with 30 days jail, and I bet they'll be checking work eligability very carefuly. Lots of minor offences allow for jail time, but judges discretion rarely puts people there. 30 days jail, 30 days suspended is a "stern judical warning" where you serve no jail time as long as you keep you nose clean those 30 days.

How ever I feel much more severe penalties are needed to prevent the hiring of illegals in some cases, because of the sheer scope of the problem some places.



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