Again, you guys clearly haven't played much Mario Kart or Smash Bros. There are elements in both games that require an incredibly steep amount of learning to master.
The problems you guys are encountering are that, unlike Starcraft or Civ, these games are also newcomer-friendly - they can be picked up and played by any random chump, but pit a newcomer against a seasoned veteran and you'll see it differently.
That's the difference between niche hardcore and mainstream hardcore. Both may still have a high learning curve, but mainstream hardcore can at least be played by a noob and enjoyed, even if he sucks at it comparitively.
As for y'all's other statements... you know you're contradicting yourselves, right? Saying "Those games aren't core!" while simultaneously arguing that "core" is a creation by elitist gamers to feel superior... well, I guess you're not contradicting yourselves necessarily - you COULD be admitting that you're stuck-up elitist scumbags, but I doubt that...
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