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staticneuron said:
omgwtfbbq said:

ok, Sony deserves the hate for the reasons many people have mentioned. (Rootkits, Exploding Batteries, Lik-Sang, Arrogance, AllIWantForXMas, etc). It doesn't matter if it's Sony/BMG or SCEA or whatever, it's still Sony and all comes under the Sony brand. If the management allows Sony/BMG to install rootkits on people's computers and then helps cover it up ("most people don't even know what a rootkit is, why should they care?") then they will allow other unsightly and illegal horrors on their other products. Companies that do these sorts of things should be punished, but instead they're given a slight slap on the wrist and people still come here saying that "Sony has never let them down".

Most people here know Microsoft's shady business practices (anti-trust lawsuits, patent FUD, Halloween documents, etc), and for the same reason they should be avoided. They get the same deal as Sony, I'm sorry. Even if it's an unrelated division, it's still impossible to trust them. Their gaming division doesn't seem to be as bad as Sony's but I still try to avoid their products as much as possible (unfortunately, it's slightly harder for them as for Sony)

Nintendo has also screwed up, most famously for their crappy treatment of third-party developers, and they were punished for it, third party developers left them in droves on the release of the PlayStation.

It would be good for everyone if consumers started punishing companies who treat them like shit in the same way third party developers punished Nintendo for treating them like shit. Otherwise companies like MS and Sony will keep doing the same thing over and over because they know people will just sit back and accept it.


Rootkits were a horible idea but everything else that you mentioned is not really a sore point. The batteries were made a certain way (to maximise life) and the companies who purchased them knew of the increased risk. Do you know that you are more likely to get struck by lightning than to have had one of those batteries explode on you?

We had a full blown discussion about lik sang. Sony was in their full rights and lik sang was doing something wrong...... otherwise the courts would not have ruled in sony's favor. Arrogance has been attributed to hyperbole and confidence. Sony reps know what they have coming down the pipe (features like home) and it adds to how they speak. If you watch any of the phil harrison interviews I find them far from arrogant. And a failed viral marketing campaign shows how evil sony is? They hired a company.... the company sucks.... sony had to take the blame. You do know major corporations hire different advertisment companies to market their stuff right?

Any arguement made against Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are pretty damn weak. How does it affect you? Nothing that has gone down (except for MS) has affected me but I am not going to avoid their quality products for mistakes they have made... many of which didn't even affect me.

 

This deserved hatred.... is nothing more than weak reasoning to support fanboyism and FUD.

 

The courts ruled in Sony's favour over Lik-Sang? Funny, I don't even remember it going to courts, all I remember is Sony deciding to star a lawsuit in every single country in EU simultaneously and Lik-Sang being unable to respond due to the massive legal costs. The case never went to court. Lik-Sang were sued for selling Sony's product and not allowing them to exploit European customers, maybe illegal but doesn't make them less of a bunch of arseholes.

Arrogance as a company is obviously required but Sony took it to the point of insulting its customers, and the customers of other companies. Telling us we will buy the playstation even without games, and we will take out a second job to pay for it? Sorry Sony, but I don't like being insulted. 

What makes you think Sony hasn't effected me? Besides, that's not the point. Since when do we live in the world where it is "ok" to just sit back and watch someone screw over someone else? I don't want to live in a world where I can be mugged on the street and people will just sit and watch saying "it doesn't effect me". I'm sorry but I can't just accept that. Besides, if Sony/Microsoft aren't punished for their immoral/illegal behaviour then what's to stop them doing it again? Why should I trust them?

I hate to invoke Godwin's law but let's not forget our history:

"When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out."



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