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endimion said:
your mother said:
endimion said:
hum since when you can compare a simulation GT5 and arcade game PGR4.... you'll have to explain me ???
and pushing further since when the most important part in a simulation is the graphics ??? I'd rather have a better control, physics, AI, etc. in a sim than graphics....

see flight simulator for planes, which wasn't really kicking ass for years on graphics but was certainly the best in simulation....

now you want a real good simulation ??? GTR 2 on PC kicks the butt of Forza 1-2 all the GT and basically any other car sim ever made.... hopefully we'll see a number 3

The reason the GTR series is so deliciously good as a racing sim is not because of the graphics or sound effects (although it has more than enough of that) - it's their impeccable tire modeling.

If you watch Formula 1, you know that the FIA decided to have just one tire supplier for the championships because after all's been said and done, you can have by far the best car in the field but without the right rubber that car will never live up to its full potential - and can be soundly thrashed by an inferior car but with superior grip thanks to a better tire.

If you are after real simulation, graphics are really - and I mean really secondary. It's all about the accuracy of the physics and in the crucial tire modeling department no game has yet managed to surpass the GTR series.


hum I never said GTR was better graphical, I said GTR is the best simulation serie for what sim serie is suposed to be good in first place... and I stated that for a sim the most important is not graphics.... so we totally agree....

 

now for the FIA... it's also because michelin choose to leave the competition anyway..... before that new rule was made.... but I don't really follow F1 now that i'm in USA... I don't have any chanel showing it :( same for WRC :(


...and I never said I disagreed with you - I'm corroborating your comments!

BTW, you may want to try out RFactor - the amount of mods available are simply out of this world!

Michelin decided to leave because - well, in their own words:

"Michelin is perplexed by the step backwards of the FIA's F1 regulation for 2006, felt to be incoherent with the FIA’s proclaimed policy to reduce costs

On October 26, 2005 the FIA’s World Motor Sport Council adopted new rules concerning the use of tyres in 2006: restoration of tyre changes during the race as well as increase in the number of tyres allotted per team. This is to be effective immediately for the 2006 season.

This urgent change, without advance notice: 

Is incoherent with the cost reduction objectives sought by the FIA President

Is a step backwards in regards to the 2005 regulations presented, at the time, by the FIA solely for cost reduction purposes.

As a result, these new rules will immediately increase tyre development, production and logistics costs by 15% since, contrary to what has been said, the 2005 solutions can by no means be adapted to the new 2006 regulation. This decision reveals a lack of technical understanding of the product and of what a tyre really is.

In fact, tyre wear and grip are calculated to ensure an optimum performance for a specific distance. To switch from a tyre designed to run for 350 kms in 2005 to a tyre that can be changed every 100 kms (or less) in 2006 will require tyre manufacturers to design an entirely new generation of tyres and will therefore increase costs.

As many have said and written in the past few weeks, we can only question the meaning behind this decision which negates all of the benefits of Michelin’s research in 2005 to design a tyre capable of running for 350 kms, allowing its partners to win 18 races throughout the year.

Michelin, therefore, questions the FIA's hidden motivations for the 2006 F1 regulation.

Once again, this event illustrates the F1’s problems of incoherent decision-making and lack of transparency.

In light of this situation, Michelin would like to thank its partner teams who did everything possible, unfortunately in vain, to inhibit a last minute new regulation returning, in fact, to previous regulations."

The FIA, of course, offered this in response:

"The FIA has noted the latest press statement made by Michelin regarding the 2006 Formula One regulations.

The decision to reintroduce tyre changes in Formula One was supported by an overwhelming majority of the Formula One Commission members and by a unanimous vote of the FIA World Motor Sport Council.

The Formula One Commission is made up of all the F1 stakeholders including representatives of the teams (10), event promoters (8), engine suppliers (1), tyre suppliers (1), sponsors (2) and just one representative each from the governing body and the commercial rights holder.

Michelin are clearly confused, but it is difficult to understand which part of the very basic and entirely democratic voting procedures adopted by the FIA that Michelin is perplexed by. As Michelin themselves point out this is the same regulation as in 2004 when, we must remind them, their tyres ran without problem at Indianapolis."