vlad321 said:
Kasz216 said:
vlad321 said:
Inteligence isn't quantifyable, you only display it when you are learning and applying what you have learned. I don't know what the fuck the IQ test measure, but it sure as fuck isn't intelligence. If someone can gain 35 intelligence, from a well above average IQ to a fucking genius then the test is absolutely useless. In fact the ONLY reason the IQ test exists is to segregate black and white back in WWI. Intelligence is not something one gains or loses, ever.
However to aswer your question, intelligence is useless itself without any wisdom, and if you aren't educated it doesn't matter if you are the most intelligent person on earth, you are still just a fcuking idiot. It all comes down to knowledge, it just so happens knowledge is more easily gained and far better at applied when someone is intelligent.
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1) The IQ test measures problem solving abilties.
This is their definition of Intellegence. How well you can solve problems that involve critical thinking.
People can score better on IQ tests overtime because in studying for the IQ tests they improve their critical thinking skills... or at least the critical thinking methods... better critical problem solving skills would suggest you would learn quicker then the average person.
Also no. IQ tests don't exist for segregation purposes. That's ridiculious. IQ tests were developed to identify children with learning disabilties. IQ tests had often been co-opted by people who favored eugenics. But this wasn't because they had a strict desire to segregate people by race. Quite the opposite they wanted to get rid of all "stupid" people.
They were excited "geniuses" who thought they had a tool to measure human potential and would be able to craft the wolrd into a better place. Misguided as it was... they weren't doing it to be racist.
They are around to test critical thinking skills and general learning abiltiy for placement in learning and sometimes even methods. As people with very high IQs tend to find themselves stifled in the traditional school approach.
2)The fact that you seem to claim that intellegence is something you neither gain or lose... would go against your attempts at proof that the average immigrant is smarter then your average natural citizen. One could say it's more likely they were put in a situation that made it more likely for them to suceed.
Additionally there are plenty of people who weren't educated classically on higher levels and yet are definitly not people others would consider "Idiots".
People like Bill Gates and Chris Langan come to mind.
The traditional school system tends to work well for most people but not all. Additionally not all people are given the role to succeed. Not just in quality of school but in quality of family, support, and any number of other advantages.
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1) Actually, how fast one goes up the IQ ladder would be a measure of intelligence, since intelligence isn't critical thinking, it's the ability to absorb, understand, and apply knowledge. That's also quite static. It's also the very reason the IQ people are wrong, if intelligence is static why the fuck can IQ their scores get better? You can train memory, you can work hard, but you cannot improve your intellect.
Also you are right, however the first widespred use was during the 1913/14 and so on to deport immigrants and later segregate the Army during WWI.
2)No they weren't educated, however they obviously had a specific knowledge. For instance, fonts came from Jobs sitting in a caligraphy class. Intelligent yes, but if he hadn't sat in that class he wouldnt have come up with the idea. As for immigrants, that's the whole point, they are better educated and overall smarter (wisdom+intelligence) than your average american. Mostly because they wouldn't have been allowed in from Europe if they weren't exceptional.
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1) I have problems with a number of your examples
A) The ability to absorb understand and apply knowledge directly tied to critical thinking.
Increasing your critical thinking skills does increase how well a person absorbs knowledge. Your father is a teacher right? You should ask him about it. Having better critical thinking skills makes it easier for interilization to take place. Because you can figure out what your learning faster.
Education isn't simply remembering what your told.
B) Different people internalize diffrently. For example. You, Yana and I could be given a book that tells us how to build a car and given all the tools needed to build one. I could beat you in this task.
We could then be given another task, to build another car. This time however rather then given a book. We are instructed by lecture and shown how someone else builds one. This time you could beat me in this task.
A third time we could be given the parts to build a car and no knowledge about how a car could be built. This time Yana could end up beating us both... etc.
2) Chris Langdan actually taught himself everything he learned. He dropped out of college because he thought it was stifling and that he was smarter then everyone there. He was one of those aforementioned "self learner" types.
