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NorthStar said:
I think they are getting rid of the 20 GB model because very soon it will be outdated by having not enough Memory to utlize the PS3 with downloaded "full HD" whole games.releasing in less than 4-6 months you would feal ripped off if you just purchase a machine and had to upgrade rightaway.Is microsoft still keeping the "core" manufactured,to me that wouldn't make sense if there is going to be a need for 120GB hard drive why would people still by the core or even the 20GB hard drive?I think sony is about to cut price on the 60GB PS3 very soon probly to the 499 level that the 20GB was at.I don't think sony will put out another "version"of the PS3 though the PS3 hard drive is easy to replace with a 120GB hard Drive and Alot cheaper than upgrading the 360.What is the Price for the 360Elite?its probly hovering around $450 right?So if Sony doesn't bring the price down they would be still 150 higher than the best 360(a bit too big of a gap) but if they drop $100 it will be around a $50 gap(not bad at all I would much rather have a $499 PS3 over a $449 360) that would be alot to offer for 50 bucks..I still think both the 360 and PS3 are a bit overpriced and close on quality except for the the Bluray format for games will be a big plus soon.The only real difference is how the 2 get the money.Sony blasts you once for the $599 while microsoft Nickles and dime you...$399 system ...$50/year Live...$99 WiFi....$199 HD-player(if you bought this ..sorry)....$20 plug and play...$179 Hard drive upgrade.I understand that some people don't need all these things but most will want them.the fact is if you don't care about HD movies its probly because you don't have an HD TV 1080i or 1080p which in that case your really not getting alot of the potential of either system.In the end this will probly help reduce cost on the 60Gb modle of the PS3 even more 1production line Vs.having 2

First of all, you need to use the spacebar so people can tell where your sentences end and begin. You made a lot of great points but it was a pain to read =) (I'll be responding to the highlighted portions in order)

I'd like to think Sony was getting rid of the 20GB because of some noble reason, but the fact is this is a bad move if they did it to cut costs. I argued all the time that the 20GB PS3 is a far better deal than the 360 at $100 more. Live costs on 360, blu-ray, few gigs extra space, ability to run linux and use as a full PC with wireless bluetooth keyboards/mice/webcams. Sure, I still think the 60GB is a better deal but, but 40gigs, wireless internet, and card reads are about equal to $100 anyway so if you wanted to upgrade you could. Now, I went with the Premium because #1 it was selling more on ebay (obviously I kept one) and #2 I figured I'd go ahead and get the wireless installed and have the hard drive in for me so I could upgrade leter on down the line. The card readers were a nice touch, and the glossy finish, heh. Anyway, I think the 20GB was a great deal, obviously too good because they lost more money on it. Maybe retailers and Sony wanted to make more money with the 60GBs. Oh well.

Now, I think the #1 reason to get rid of this line is to do what you say above, and that is to cut the price of the 60GB model that people largely preferred, and also not have to cut the price of the 20GB and lose even more money. I really hope they do that soon seeing as how they could use the boost. I was looking forward to the $400 20GB version, though. Oh well.

I completely agree that M$ nickels and dimes, and people call it "choice." Well, yeah, it;s your choice if you don't want a hard drive that allows you to play backwards compatible games, online, save games without a memory card, but people generally chose the 20GB 360. Then, you can chose not to play online but $50 is quite a price for what most companies let you do for free. There are more choices but the choices aren't very good imo. Now, if I was buying a 360 I think the Elite is the best choice because I don't think 20GB is a lot and they won't let people upgrade without paying about 3 times what they should be paying ($180 instead of $60). Wireless would have been a good inclusion in the "Elite" as well, but adding HDMI was admitting fault enough I guess. Afterall, they criticized Sony for including HDMI. Whatever. Including Wireless at least would have made it a deal for consumers instead of $80 for a $10 cable and 100GB for $70. That's not a good pricing option alone, but they almost force people into it with their lack of decent upgrade options.

I disagree that HD is important for getting potential out of the systems. I've seen the games in 1080p and SD and although the 1080p looks better (especially for playstation network that has a completely different look), I can still see the detail of the graphics with a SD TV. The graphics still look better. Just because you can't see all the details doesn't mean that the beautiful graphics go away by playing on a SD TV. It's still there, and it looks great. I'll be fine for a few years. The games look significantly better than previous gen and Wii.