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akuma587 said:

Its funny that some of the people who argue for torture talk about real life situations in which you have a ticking bomb where you have to torture someone to save other people's lives. And the first example they usually give you is a TV show starring Jack Bauer.

The ticking time bomb situation is a fantastical scenario used to justify doing things that would normally land you in a federal prison or in an international war tribunal.

 

 Well, I've never actualy seen 24. Interesting how often that torture and prisoner abuse is so often justified in movies and TV though. It's routine for audiances to cheer when the hero "lets" the villian die instead of saving him.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire