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TheRealMafoo said:
Tyrannical said:

The Russians got useful information out of their prisoners, and that information probably saved a lot of Russian lives.

Makes things a bit more morally ambiguous I think.

 

Sorry dude, but there is a line that should not be crossed. What the Russians did definitely crossed that line.

I don't think poring water on someone's face crosses that line however. Others disagree.

I mean if it's torture, why do we do it to our own special ops during training?

 

So, you would comdemn innocent people to death by not extracting vital information if given the chance? Getting intel on a suicide bomber could save dozens of lives.

“You have to be a certain kind of person to do this job - very strong,” Vladimir said. “Those who carried it out always volunteered. It would not be right to order one of your men to torture someone. It can be morally and psychologically very tough.”



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire