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akuma587 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
akuma587 said:
I just don't understand how people think we come out ahead doing things like this. We completely lose our moral high ground and feed the fuel that creates terrorism in the first place. We encourage people in the Middle East to think we are indifferent imperialists who at the end of the day care nothing about human rights and are no better than a petty dictator.

From a military standpoint, the benefits in no way shape or form outweigh the costs.

 

Right, we are the bad guys.

Forget all the information that has saved peoples lives through waterboarding. We hurt there feelings, and thats far more important.

One day yelling at your kids is going to be torture.

So what would it take for us to be the bad guy?

What information have we obtained that has saved people's lives through waterboarding?  I would love for you to point to specific information that has saved people's lives. 

And you didn't even address the fact that we may have endangered more people's lives and encouraged more terrorists attacks by waterboarding in the first place.  This is one of the most effective ways to fuel terrorists propaganda, by giving them actual evidence that America's motives and moral resolve are highly questionable.

 

http://www.poligazette.com/2009/04/23/did-waterboarding-pay-off/

And what would it take? Breaking there fingers, burning them, damaging them in any way.

Poring water over the face of someone who would cut your head off with a hack saw if given the chance, does not make us the bad guy.

And if it kills more people in the long run, so be it. There are things worth fighting for Akuma. Not backing down to these kinds of people, is one of them.