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akuma587 on 26 April 2009
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HappySqurriel said:
akuma587 said:
I just don't understand how people think we come out ahead doing things like this. We completely lose our moral high ground and feed the fuel that creates terrorism in the first place. We encourage people in the Middle East to think we are indifferent imperialists who at the end of the day care nothing about human rights and are no better than a petty dictator.

From a military standpoint, the benefits in no way shape or form outweigh the costs.

So we must protect our "Moral High Ground" to protect our image in countries with drastically different morals than us? Does that mean that we should ban gay marriage, start stoning homosexuals, and allow husbands to rape their wives?

For the most part the reason why "Americans" (more realistically this would be "Westerners") are hated throughout the middle east is due to indoctrination and propaganda. No matter what the "Americans" do, nothing is going to stop clerics in the middle of Afghanistan or Iran from talking about how evil they are and how they need to be destroyed because this hatrid is exactly how these people are controlled.

 

This is part of the problem.  You are suggesting that everyone in the Middle East can be brainwashed through indoctrination and propaganda.  Yes, there is a percentage of the Muslim population who will hate America no matter what.  But the rest are regular people who can be persuaded by either side.  When America does questionable things like this, it makes them more easily persuaded to join the side of extremism.

Why should we even bother if they are so dangerous and just not wholesale exterminate the Muslim people?

 



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