Did Miss California lose because of her opinion on gay marriage?

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mmnin said:

seece said:

mmnin said:
I want to add to this topic, but I'm currently too tired to sit here long.

I will say this though. I think that the opposition to gay culture in all aspects: religious, parental, societal, governmental, psychological, etc. is why gay culture is what it is. It has been ingrained into the lives of children who are developing and remains with them as they get older. It is also reinforced by those who had suffered similar reactions who are already older. The acceptance and respect that people generally have for the heterosexual way of life is to such an exclusive degree that it generates rejection of a person's natural gay feelings and is at direct odds with those gay adolescents who just want to be understood and loved. They are chased away from those who should love them and driven into the hands of people who have been corrupted by the same societal rejection. The "core" culture is one created by being pushed away by society through an attempt to find its own and then fed on by the existing culture. It cycles itself.

I'll see what anybody says to that and then hopefully respond later.

I agree to a certain degree, I don't think a lot of guys run towards that type of culture aka "the scene" because they have been rejected, more they feel they can express themselves better, and to be quite frank they stand a better chance of getting laid. Not everything is as complex as you made out.

I grew up being bullied for being gay, I stuck up for myself and I'm certainly not running away feeling rejected ...

 

What do you know.  I stayed a little longer. :p  Thanks for replying.  I'm always afraid when I post that someone might chew me out.  lol.  I have confidence issues. So one reason I don't look right away is that I'm really just too "tired" to deal with harsh backlash that would require me to filter an emotional response into something of more coherence.

People do have a tendency to go where they are accepted.  When we look at high school kids, they are in general subconsciously looking for acceptence and identity.  When peers treat them like they are gay, many start to think that that is all that they are....gay.  Some lose sense of anything else that makes them who they are.  This even happens in some degree when it is a joking, friendly, or positive treatment.  This is natural of their peers, because they are approached with something new that they might not fully understand.  What is worse is that in this encourageable state, they are then taken into a very competitive environment where sleeping with people is one path to popularity, drugs another, and performing or showing off your body is another.  Over time this strengthens a focus toward sex that can remain throughout the person's life.  And of course there are also facets of it that revolve around getting paid to have sex of course, usually with older members of the "scene."  This stems from this same process but is a different discussion.  But none of this is as bad as a new person coming in with wide eyes and learning a new environment just to be taken advantage of by someone who already "knows" the scene.  Most likely the very "friend" who introduced them, or a friend of that friend who they think they can trust.  Thus is the beginning of the cycle.

Certainly not everyone gets pulled fully into the situation, people have different paths, but that is how many situations happen.  That is why veterans have the phrase "fresh meat."  That "fresh meat" is likely a child (in life and finding himself) of a situation that he didn't feel like he/she belonged in.

Take a child though who doesn't ever go to a club or bar.  They might look for acceptance on the internet or might just be bait on a social networking site simply by having a young picture and putting up the word "gay" for sexuality.  Again, similar path but through a different entrance.

If they don't take either path, they are still subject to small comments at school or at home that help single out the person's feelings about their sexuality as an important topic.  So much so that they make it a focus in their life.  This takes away from other ambitions, and may cause them to take on maneurisms that they wouldn't normally take on.  All of these during the crucial and fragile developmental years can also deeply impact a person's psychology. That is why many psychiatrists approach homosexuals from a standpoint of personal acceptance as a primary goal and solution to problems that may not seem initially related.

 

 

Big scary wall of text! haha I'll read this in the morning and reply :)