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WessleWoggle said:

Serapheart, your argument is useless until you actually explain what is special about marriage between a man and a woman. IT's not a law of the universe, and it really doesn't matter if it's a tradition. Removing the female clitoris is a tradition in some places...

Also, your view has *not* been since the beggining of humanity, only the beggining of some humanities. There's been tribes and cultures that have allowed gay marriage. Why should we take the example of the less open, less tolerant societies, instead of taking the example of the societies that allowed it? You say we have no idea what marriage is? What makes you so special that you get to define it?

 

Certaintly you have no right to define it then, so we should all leave it alone, eh? You know, the way it was/is...

But seriously arguing with you about this would be pointless. The internet isn't the right place for this kind of arguing, you are on the complete opposite side of an extremely contraversial debate. I can see now that any hopes of me trying to convince you (or vise versa) would be completely futile. Not here at least.

The topic at hand however, that I can argue with. It's the original topic, one that we have strayed from. Is Miss California a victim for believing that marriage is meant for a man and a woman? No she is not, and many are hypocrites to say that she is.

Normally I would say "God help us all", but I've come to believe that God waits until a nation is completely wrought with sin before he steps in to destroy it, and rather than make the people do "his will" he watches his Christians fight and fail for it. All so that he can judge a nation more harshly.

So if you want me to stop going against gay marriage you never will. As long as I'm alive there will be a outspoken contender of such an atrocity. But what i'm asking is that we at least be fair and equal. Doesn't she have the right to be Christian? So doesn't she have the right to be raised and believe in that christian value of proper marriage? This trully is a terrible, terrible world.