Tea Parties: Whats really going on?

[Kasz216]

theprof00 said:

Kasz216 said:

Also... i find it amusing how you say... "The statistics don't lie."

Yet then... when the statistics prove you wrong you say...

"The statistics don't scratch the surface."

You can run from the debate all you want.  But the trtuth is.  The problem largely concerning black people now is a wealth issue.

Unlike... women.

 

This racial wealth gap accounts for many of the racial differences in socioeconomic achievement that have persisted in the post-civil rights era. When we compare black and white families who have the same income and net worth, we find that African-American kids are more likely to graduate from high school than whites and are just as likely to complete college. And when we compare individuals who grew up in families with the same economic resources--income and wealth--we find that the wage gap between blacks and whites disappears and that African-Americans are just as likely as Anglos to be working full time. But among the poor, a lack of assets makes blacks more likely to rely on welfare.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20010326/conley

Stacey Jones, an African-American woman with a graduate degree and a solidly middle-class job, describes a common bind for minority parents: "I am, in effect, priced out of homebuying in good school districts," she says. "This, in turn, makes it difficult for me to pay more for housing, since I am spending a good deal of my income on education for my children." For much of the growing black middle class, a lack of assets means living from paycheck to paycheck, being trapped in a job or a neighborhood that is less beneficial in the long run, or not being able to send one's kids to top colleges. Income provides for day-to-day, week-to-week expenses; wealth is the stuff that upward mobility is made of. Equality of opportunity cannot be achieved under unequal conditions (such as differential access to wealth). Indeed, whether the parents enjoy the American dream of the house, the car and the 401k is one of the best predictors of whether a child will have a chance to achieve the same.

 

I grew up without any of those things and also kicked out of the house at 18 because my mom believed in setting out on ons own.

I currently go to school at Northeastern and have a ~3.5 GPA and a steady job and a condo apt with a pool. Any black person should be able to do what I did.

However, I went to public school for one year, before I paid (myself) to go to private high school.

In that year, every white teacher told me that I didn't need to take the tests because they knew I knew the work, even if I didn't. I got all A's in every single class, and an A- in a class that I slept in.

The black kid next to me who did homework for other classes got a B.

Sure this is just anecdotal evidence, but you have to at least understand my perspective where I've gotten so much shit easy compared to the black kid sitting next to me.

 

Are you sure it was because you were white?  Or was it because you went through a lot of shit?  Some people see people who go through a lot a shit and give them breaks.

Like I said.  You were citing statistics.  Then I cited statistics... which didn't contradict any of the studies you posted by merely put them in perspective.

Pay differences fail to take into account that Blacks and Whites don't start on a level playing field due to... wealth.

Racism studies fail to take into account the fact that these go away shortly after meeting people... aka during an interview process.  The Problem is... Affirmitive Action makes this worse.  Since if you have a quota... you need to have race on an employment sheet.  In a perfect world, one would not put there name, race or gender on a job application, but instead be recognized simply by an employment number until called in to work.

Of course what school you go to and where you live can also be problematic... not for race reasons so much as schooling reasons for college.  I mean is it better to be 1 in the bottom 50% schools... or 50th in the top 10% of schools?

This isn't just a case of discrimination, but of the quality of learning you get.  Which again... can be fixed by wealth.  By intergrating neighberhoods.  Which tends to happen due to defacto segregation, largely because white people of and equal income as black people can usually afford richer houses because of... well... wealth again.  Outside of white people who started off in the same situation.