Can Halo 3 save Xbox 360 from Wii?

[naznatips]

h2dk said:

naznatips said:

h2dk said:
Actually, how about comparing Madden to Madden?? Are Wii60 owners choosing the better looking game whose controls haven't changed in years?..or are they going with the version that offers a new way to play..with, well, poorer visuals?
After all, aren't Madden purchasers in both console's demographic?

(thanks Legend, I always find these arguments amusing)

Thanks, I was hoping someone would take the bait. If Legend won't step up to the debate then at least I can have some fun with you.

Hrmm. My point was that people won't buy bad Wii games, but would instead buy good 360 games. You brought up Madden as an example. Lets take a look at Madden's scores shall we?

Madden 08 Xbox 360 Gamerankings average 83%
Madden 08 Wii Gamerankings average 77.5%

I wonder why people would buy the Xbox 360 version more? hehe. Again, we are comparing an American market with many more Xbox 360 owners. So, do you have another example? I mean, I can certainly pull up examples of quite a few high budget Xbox 360 games that flopped. After all, what third parties should really be concerned about is investing a lot of money in a game that doesn't sell. The Wii costs signifficantly less to develop for, so much fewer copies would have to be sold to make a profit. Let's take a look shall we:

-The Darkness scored an 83% on Gamerankings and sold .24 million copies.
-Stranglehold, maybe not the best game but one of the most high budget games this generation, sold .22 million copies
-Viva Pinata scored an 85% on Gamerankings and flopped hard
-Burnout Revenget with an 89% on Gamerankings pulled in a whopping .38 million copies

Each one of these games cost more than any 3rd party Wii game to develop. Some of them represent gigantic losses for their companies. Stranglehold cost more than most 3rd party Wii games combined. When we talk about where 3rd party support will go, we can't look at just raw sales figures. A the average Wii game costs less than half as much as the average 360 game to develop. When you consider that, the 360 is hardly the "safe money" that you and Legend want to make it out to be. Yes, some good games have sold very well on the 360 but many haven't even broke .5 million, which is far below the profit mark for an Xbox 360 game.

you really want to use gamerankings for the basis of your argument? cause I'm sure everyone that bought Madden looked at the reviews first (as if 77.5 were bad) right? What about the "revolutionary" controls?

Rayman 76.5

Wii Sports 76.4

Elebits 75.4

Excite Truck 75.0

Big Brain Acedemy 70.0

Red Steel 65.0

Mario Party 8 64.0

Cooking Mama 62.0

Wii Play 60.2

Pokemon Battle Revolution 57.1

 

How do you explain the sales of those then? If 77.5 is bad, then some of these are pure crap. I say because none of them are targeted at the 360 demographic, i.e. they are targeted at a younger audience (yes, I know, lots of adults buy and play them, blah, blah, blah...)

Which brings me back to my original point in this whole discussion...a larger percentage of 360 owners have disposable income to throw at games, where as a good chunk of the Wii's targeted market doesn't have an income. Therefore "true" software sales (i.e. not "freebies") will continue to be led by the 360 until the Wii has a significant install base lead (at least twice).

(And I don't want to hear how the 360 has more consoles on the market, etc. If you take off Wii Play and Wii Sports, the PS2 is outselling the Wii in software, yet being dominated by the 360)

The Darkness and Stranglehold are not 360 exclusives and are "just another fps", yet still selling as much or more than most Wii 3rd party games.

Viva Pinata was targeted for the "nintendo" market, hence it's flop on the 360 (hello DS)

Oh, and Burnout: Revenge? Please, that made nothing but money for EA. It was out on the Xbox months before the 360...380,000 units purchased, most probably for a second time...

 

Thanks, it has been fun

I didn't say it was bad, I said it was worse.  You asked why more people bought the Xbox 360 version.  I showed you. Pokemon Battle Revolution, Elebits, Big Brain Accademy, and Excite Truck bombed.  Wii Sports and Wii Play are pack ins.  What, they count now that they work for your argument but they don't count when they work against it?  That's pretty childish. 

Mario Party 8 is first party.  We are talking about 3rd party.  Red Steel was high budget, not high scoring.  I said that specificially in all previous posts.  .24 and .22 million are not as much or more than most 3rd party Wii games.  You might want to try and debate like an adult rather than pull stuff out of your ass.  Those flops also cost their companies a small (darkness) and very large (stranglehold) fortune.  The fact that they are multiplatform makes it even scarier.  Not only could they not sell on the 360, they couldn't sell on the 360 and PS3 combined. 

Again you come back to the same ignorant argument you started with.  A larger amount of 360 games are purchased because they have a much larger library of quality titles at this point in time.  It has nothing to do with the amount of money they make.  The 360's target userbase is teenagers and college age males.  They certainly don't have much if any more gaming money than kids and adults.  Meanwhile there are still a multitude of good 360 games that completely flop, and they cost many times more to make than Wii games.

You can't make a valid 3rd party sales comparison right now because the quality difference is too large right now.  Thanks for playing, but you weren't much fun to debate with.  If you come up with anything new please come back, but don't repeat the same point that I already shot down again.  I'd rather find someone with a better understanding of the facts to debate with if that's all you are going to do.