Arguments Against God

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786_ali said:

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786_ali said:

Shaitan was not an angel. I think it is stated in the Bible that he was an angel, instead he was actually a jinn. Allah ordered his creations to prostrate to Adam, one of these creations was the Shaitan. Shaitan had been given more powers and abilities than the angels, however due to hubris he thought that these powers made him as powerful or more powerful than Allah. Thus he refused to obey Allah. This is why he was punished.

Regarding why he was punished and asked to this, Allah's creations were ordered to this because it was a test for them to see whether or not they truly worshipped and obeyed Allah. Shaitan failed and was therefore punished.

 

 

Hmm, I don't remember saying Shaitan was an angel. I didn't say what he was. I know he's a jinn in the Quran.

Shaitan refused to obey Allah because what Allah ordered was unfair. This was a test to Shaitan to see if he was a mindless drone or an individual. He was rewarded for using logic rather than faith, not submitting to an unfair order.

I don't see why it's said that Shaitan is full of hubris or thinks he's as powerful or more powerful than Allah.

Can you explain this to me?

The order was not unfair. It was an order to show that he obeyed and worshipped Allah, and to show respect to Adam. The proof of his hubris is that he disobeyed Allah whom we must submit to at all costs, and his arrogance was shown by him thinking of himself as better than Adam.

Allah never asks us to hurt ourselves or do anything wrong.Proof of this is Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham), who was ordered through a dream to slaughter his own son. This was a test for him. He chose to obey Allah, and just before the knife struck his son (Ismael) he was transformed into a goat and he survived.

Thus if he was a believer of Allah, he would have obeyed Allah

 

I disagree, the order was unfair. How is it fair to bow to someone who's your inferior? Just because Allah said so is a bad reason. Besides, what was Allah trying to do by making all bow to Adam? Give him a superiority complex?

Allah asked Shaitan to go against logic and follow his order to bow down to Adam. That is unfair.

A superior being should not have to bow down to an inferior or equal. No one should have to bow down to anyone.

Also, The Yezidi people say Allah told Shaitan never to bow down to anything, so he wasn't going against Allahs orders, Allah presented him with a contradiction. He had to make a choice, the Yezidi people think he made the right choice.

Also, it's impossible for Shaitan not to believe in Allah. Or did you mean obedient to Allah?