Nirvana_Nut85 said:
I'll comment on the suicide analogy first. The difference is the baby does not have the "choice" wether he or she wants to be aborted. It is other people making that decision for them concerning thier life. While suicide....
Now one point of your statement I really liked is when you said "We must bend to give others the rights they deserve, while still not agreeing with the choices they make." So why not bend our personal beliefs to give that unborn child's "rights" it deserve to life instead of taking it away because of the selfish ideology of others.
Because that would be making the world bend around your personal moral standards...
The difference is that while pro-choicers are not trying to force you to have an abortion pro-lifers are trying to force you not to. Therefore pro-choicers are not trying to make everybody follow their moral beliefs, just to have the right to follow their own.
See, I have no problem with people following thier own beliefs, and I don't believe in forcing others to share my views. When people come to understand that it's not about anyone's moral standards, or beliefs,ect but that it's about that unborn babies right to life, then it changes your perspective.
We do not have the right to take another human beings life, therefore we should not have the right to take an unborn life. The only reason it's heavily supported is because of this global idea of population control and that "human" are bad for the Earth and other B.S like that.
No the reason its supported is because a lot of people don't see an undeveloped fetus as being human. Its nothing to do with population control, thats just a handy side effect.
Not really. It all depends what country you live in. The U.S for example has some split decisions on abortion. It's not a major majority or one sided (a list of polls with interesting data) http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm.
Actually it has everything to do with population control and eugenics. Research trhe people who founded planned parenthood. If you really think abortion is legal because governments give a shit about a woman's right then your sadly mistaken.
No matter of how you look at it, it's a living human being regardless of which stage of development he or she is in.
Thats just a plain wrong statement because the way I look at it its not a living human being regardless of which stage of development it is in. Its also the way most pro-choicers look at it. What you should have said is 'The way I look at it, it's a living human being regardless of which stage of development he or she is in.'
Not too sound like an ass but it doesn't matter how you look at it. Regardless of what you think or feel, even when it is a "group" of cells it is still a living organism, I'm pretty sure that argument was settled earlier in this thread.
We are arguing whether its a human being, not whether its an organism. In my opinion (and in that of most pro-choicers) it can not be considered a human being at an early stage of development. To be human means so much more than to have a unique set of human DNA.
It is a living human being. The problem is that because it's in such an early stage of development, some people don't consider it human life due to thier own will. Regardless, the baby is alive and is human. One day I believe we will have the proper technology to understand this.
It wasn't being lazy that made me post the pictures and while offensive they serve a purpose. Most people go into the argument of abortion without seeing the actual procedure (which I decided against posting a video) or what happens to the baby and develope thier opiniopns by what the media says or by the opinions of others.
Disturbing pictures do not an argument make. Open heart surgery is also a fairly messy business and there are some truly gruesome pictures of it, doesn't make it a bad thing though.
Really bad comparison. It's wasn't also to make an argument, as I've stated several times now, most people who are pro choice (who I have met) ,have no idea how an abortion is done or what exactly happens to the baby. So therefore by showiing how brutal and disgusting it is it might make them do some actual research and be able to make a more informaed decision (wether it be for or against)
Now I'd like to know how you can support something that you find so disturbing?.
As I said, I find pictures of any surgery disturbing yet I still support them. To me abortion is just another surgical procedure. Showing pictures of the removed fetus has very little to do with the procedure, its just an appeal to base emotions which is in essence a red herring.
Exactly, it's just your opinion. It is in no way shape or form just another surgical procedure. We are talking about ending a life. THe unborn baby is killed. periood. When an abortion is performed. I could have posted the video of a procedure but it is even more disturbing than the after effects. Your babbling on saying I'm trying to appeal to emotion, when I clearly stated I wasn't. I repeat this for the umptienth time, alot of people wether it be prochoice or life don't have any idea of the procedure or what is done to the baby. Therefore I posted pictures of the removed "baby".
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