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Kasz216 said:
pearljammer said:
tombi123 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
tombi123 said:
I think it is very pessimistic to suggest that money is the greatest motivator. In fact it makes me ashamed to be human.

 

I think the opposite. Money is a way to transfer and store your efforts. It's a way to build something better for your children, or a way to take your time, and donate it to charities.

It's a measure of hard work, and dedication.

To all the RPG fans, it's Real Life XP :)

 

In no way is money a reflection of hard work and dedication. I work in a restuarant kitchen. The head chef work 15 hour shifts, 6 days a week. For the amount of hard work and dedication he puts in he should be a millionaire. He isn't, he works for a modest wage. 

I'm guessing you earn quite a lot...

I just feel that our obsession with money is holding human potential back...

Couldn't agree more. Money made is by no means an accurate measure of hard work and dedication, although I'm sure there is at least a weak positive correlation.

The professional athlete would work harder than almost all others in our society if this were true. So would musicians... but only the popular ones, of course.

Well look at the odds proffesional atheletes face... you have to pretty much dedicate your entire life to a sport to make it to the pros with very few exceptions... and those exceptions usually revolve around dedicating yourself to another sport.

Also look at their average life expectancies.

The average Life Expectancy for a Player in the NFL is 55.  That's like 22 years of your life gone thanks to your work.  I mean can we really say NFL players are overpaid when they give up 22 years of their life? I agree, this is especially difficult to measure. This is counting people that aren't hardly ever in the games!  So the numbers for the people on the field all the time.  Lets say they're probably gruesome.

As for musicians.  Look how many people try to be musicians.  Look how many suceed.  It's a very hard thing to write a song the whole world listens to. Luck, connections, charisma, timing all play into this as well. Hell, several musicians don't even write their own music.

I didn't say that neither work hard. Just simply meant that their means and ends were disproportionate to what Mafoo had said.

It's not a matter of "Working hardest" so much as doing things other people can't do.

I agree. But that wasn't what he was arguing. He said: "It's [money] a measure of hard work, and dedication" Tombi and I were simply pointing out that money is a relatively poor measure of hard work and dedication. That's all.

Teachers don't make more because teaching is inherently rewarding in most cases.  Some of the worst teaching jobs pay the best... and there are tons of people who want to be teachers... meaning there are often replacements.

The same could be said for short order cooks... and a number of other jobs.

If your a scientist and you aren't making a lot of money, your likely dedicated to a study that doesn't have much practical use.  Why?  Because it's inherently rewarding.

Agree with everything here.

Haha, this feels oddly familiar... Didn't we have this debate just recently?