Sony Copied Microsoft, But Where Is The Backlash?

[Onyxmeth]

ssj12 said:

Onyxmeth said:

ssj12 said:

Onyxmeth said:

shio said:
"achievements" have existed on games since the dawn of time, way before Microsoft started using them, so I can't even see your argument.

How many games had unlockable achievements before Microsoft started this? A handful maybe? How many platforms had mandatory achievements that connected the achievements of all games through a central system? The only three systems I know of in existence are the achievements system on 360, the trohy system on PS3, and the achievement system on Steam. I know PS3 came last(hehe...that sounded dirty). When did Steam do theirs?

 

 

When was Steamworks released?

 

and so while Microsoft was the first one to make a unified system you just confirmed yourself that they just improved upon a preexisting idea. Just like how Sony has improved upon the achievement system making it feel more RPG-ish with the gamer level system versus basing it all around how many points they have.

That was a legitimate question, not an argumentive "shove it in your face" one. I really don't know when Steam started their cross game achievements system. If they came first then I'll give them all the credit in the world. If it came after MS's then I won't.

@shio-If you ever feel like giving my reply to you a legitimate response that addresses the points I made, I'll be happy to shoot the shit with you over it. However, that response you gave me was worthless and frankly uncharacteristic of you. You aren't always correct but at least you give an effort. That was merely laziness.

 

 

Steam came after, I know that much. I answered your question with my own question of when which I believe it was 2007 as to when but I think its when Steamworks was released. Not 100% sure.

All I know is while Microsoft was the first to unify I remember games that go back before the PS1 that had "achievements" or a reward system that unlocked ribbons, badges, or some form of "you did this or that." No matter how you look at it, achievements and trophies are nothing more than an old fashion reward system pulled out of games.

I don't disagree there. Maybe we should differ on how important we feel unifying them is. It wasn't exactly an obvious idea. Achievements in games were few and far between. I can't recall a single game prior to the 360 that got sold in part by it's in game achievements. Nowadays games can actually be sold with those things in mind. Look at people on this website, not purchasing the PS3 games last Fall that lacked trophies in favor of those that did.

Saying the achievements system wasn't innovative just because it was built on an existing idea is like saying the Wii wasn't innovative because motion controls were already around. It's the implementation that was original, and most great ideas are just that because of their implementation, not because they are entirely new. TV was an innovation, but you could make the argument that electricity came years before(along with other components that created televesions) so it doesn't count. There are very few truly original ideas, but many innovations built upon existing ones. I feel Microsoft's achievement system was one of those.