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donathos said:

@ Sqrl

The top of this page speaks to some of the disagreements we appear to be having:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/intro.html

Maybe we agree on all points really, and just contend over the use of the terms?

 

ETA: Wow... just got looking over that entire page I linked to, and most of it is pretty good stuff.  Echos a lot of the conversation in this thread.

To use his terminology I would be an empirical agnostic.  But the terminology on what people are is not really the basis of my point here at all.  Regardless of what you want to call it if someone firmly believes that god does not exist they are taking a position of faith unless they can support the position with proof of some kind.  This is the same as for those who firmly believe in god, they also have a position of faith.  We can switch the terms used to anything (and I'm aware many atheist profress upwards of 6 to 8 types of atheism most of which are actually forms of agnosticism) but what I'm talking about stays the same regardless of the name used to describe the person.

As for the link I skimmed it but if there is something specific you want me to address incorporate it into your argument.  I'm keen to avoid trying to debate a link because I have no way of knowing what from the link someone believes or how the linker actually incorporates it into their views.



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