SciFiBoy said:
rocketpig said:
SciFiBoy said:
rocketpig said:
Show me one example of humanity ever doing this or even showing the willingness to try it. It's a sliding scale but overall, nothing changes. Do we take better care of our weak, poor, and elderly? Of course. That's really your one defense of socialism. An equity of health and prosperity.
But to use it for defense of an utopian society is ridiculous. We're the same as our spear-bearing ancestors, though society has grown in compassion as time progressed. But, in our hearts, we're still the same self-serving, scared, weak individuals when it comes to safety and survival, which is the true core of any animal.
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um, Liberals are an example of it, we want to treat everyone equally
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Realllllllyyy.
Are you talking about the same liberals that fought so many anti-segregation laws just 45 years ago?
They were serving their base, just like any other politician. And the base happened to lose that battle (thank God).
You're naive. I'm not saying that as an insult, it's a sign of youth and rather charming. Without youth, little would ever change. I'd love to resume this conversation in 10 years after the world has chewed you up, spit you out, and then stepped on you for good measure.
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the people you mention wouldnt have been liberals then would they 
i dont think im naive at all, i think youre niave to think humanity cant co-exist and that bill gates can be better trusted to educate me for free than the government who i can vote for |
At the time those people were considered liberals. That's the trick when it comes to politicking. You can be one thing on a certain day, something entirely different the next. You vote on who you think best serves the needs you feel important but inevitably, they don't entirely serve what you want.
You think I'm naive for believing in something humanity has never even come close to accomplishing? This isn't a space walk. There is no technological advancement that can achieve this masterpiece. I'm talking about thousands of years of recorded history where nothing has changed. The times, the social situations, the circumstances may be different but at the core, it's the same.
Call that naive if you want but I have the feeling those who are impartial can see which one of us is the naive one here.
