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@ Sqrl

The top of this page speaks to some of the disagreements we appear to be having:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/intro.html

Maybe we agree on all points really, and just contend over the use of the terms?

 

ETA: Wow... just got looking over that entire page I linked to, and most of it is pretty good stuff.  Echos a lot of the conversation in this thread.