Reasonable said:
I'll keep it simple since you seem to have trouble with the thread of my points. 1) I'm not saying videogames can't be good - I believe they can 2) I am saying that so far they haven't really. And sorry, but anyone arguing about JRPG characters or Gears or Bioshock is refusing to see the gulf between almost every videogame with a story/narrative/characters and the level they'd have to hit to be considered equal or even in the ballpark with literature/films 3) I do believe there has been improvement, but its tiny and damned slow and actually more likely to slow up than accelerate with the current focus on selling millions with another shooter vs anything more artistic 4) Again, I've seen zero evidence of interaction meaning more involvement - as I judge it anyway. Interaction is proactive and interesting, and I've never seen any evidence it can be used to drive the same level of involvement as a film/book in its characters So its simple, there are great videogames, there are some good stories within the realm of videogames compared to other videogames, there are no videogames I'd compare to even average (not the best) films/books. I hope to see it one day, and I do expect to see improvement, but I very, very, very much doubt a videogame is going to equal the artistic achievement of The Godfather by 2016. Why, its clear that the process is too embryonic right now, and its clear that with a very few exceptions (and even there I'm being generious) videogames are in copy mode, not create mode. That's fucking why! (Just joining in since you seem to like the expression).
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Lets pretend you're good at x, or at least think you're good at x. Well I tell you that you suck at and I have no reason to ever believe you will be good at x because you are not as good as the best.
That is your argument.
Because in your opinion there is no game that tells a story as well as the Godfather games as a medium are worse at story telling than books and films and there's no reason to believe they will ever be at the level of books or films.
That's bullshit.
Games do not have to be better than the best, they just have to be in the same league and they are. You've given me reaons why games aren't currently the best, but that doesn't matter.
I can give you 100 examples of how games are better than the next Hannah Montana movie, does that mean games are suddenly better?
Of course not because that is fucking stupid. Games are without a doubt in the same league as books, films, and theater and it's just stupid to think otherwise because you don't feel a connection.
Your argument totally makes sense if you're arguing which is currently better, that's fine, but not that games aren't in the same league as books and films.