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mrstickball said:
WessleWoggle said:

 

Actually, atheism starts on the presumption that there's no god. Atheism = a lack of God. Therefore, it starts on a presumption as well. Agnosticism starts on no presumptions, as it's definition states that it's impossible to know the reality of a god.

As an agnostic, I start on the presumtion that I don't know, and I don't know if I can know. I don't know is it's impossible to know, it might be possible...

As for atheism, they start on no presumtions either. When I was a little kid an an atheist, this was my line of logic: I don't see a god, therefore I do not believe in a god. Believers seem crazy, therefore I do not want to be a part of their delusion.

Not saying it's a delusion, but for the majority of believers, it seems to be a delusion.

A belief in no God has led to humanistic teachings of Eugenics which slaughtered and sterilized millions in the name of racial superiority. I'd like to ask those that let their children die: Which religious text was used when you decided to let your kid die? In many, if not all, situations, I question if it was their self-made religion that caused the death, or a real command by God. If it's the former, it's not Gods fault, only the parent. I don't remember a specific Biblical command that says 'if you kid is sick, let 'em die'.

Like bringing up extreme examples huh? The bible says you can stone you kids to death. Don't even get me started on leviticus...

I could also point to Christian hospitals in America that have saved millions of lives due to their values, as an offset against those that are foolish enough not to let doctors help their kids.

What does this have to do with the argument?