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Oh please. 1. You said Apple has effectively removed the user's ability to upgrade, and I plain and simply showed that is not true.

2. Also, replacing the battery or HDD does not expose the internals, you just flip open the battery/HDD compartment lid and it's all there. To upgrade memory you have to unscrew the bottom plate and that does expose some of the internals, but judging from the internet ramblings, it's not a hard thing to do.

3. Considering how most PC laptops are designed, I don't think memory upgrades are usually much easier on that side of the fence, either.

1.  You are right, I worded it wrong.  I should have said "Apple has effectively influenced the willingness of a user to upgrade on his/her own"

2.  Not sure about the battery, but the HDD and the RAM BOTH require the back plate removed.  As shown in this document, page 38 (the newest version of the MacBookPro and the 17" model:

http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/MacBook_Pro_17inch_Early2009.pdf

3.  Most laptops just require a single compartment removed to replace HDD and RAM.  Some Dells are gay and split up RAM like Apple has been known to do and put it in hard to access places, but Dell is not an MS company, and I dispise them as a PC maker.

And lastly, I could care less about how Mac wants to be all "green" lately.  They have always been known for their proprietary and idiotic hardware decisions.  Sure they run off of mostly the same hardware these days, which is why the price is by no means justified.  They fail at the same rate as PCs, there is just so many less of them, that people are given the illusion that they are more reliable and somehow "safer" even though year after year it is the Macs that fall the fastest and hardest at hacking conventions.

You are probably right about me not being able to hold a 100% genuine conversation about Apple computers, but that is entirely because of the personal oppinion I have developed from all the awful first hand experiences I have had with their hardware and I have personally seen that there is absolutely no justification for it.  I really do hope that more companies like those Apple-Clone builders pop up to screw Apple and force them to un-monopolize their products.