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nightsurge on 02 April 2009
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StarrGazer said:
nightsurge said:
StarrGazer said:
Spoon! said:
@stargazer

They are not PCs evolved, they do not offer anything that you can't build yourself. And yes I am familiar with the Hackintosh, and I did in fact own Macs in the past, but stopped buying them when Jobs outlawed the clones. The Mac is nothing but an OS on a closed platform that limits your choice of hardware.

Incidentally, does anyone remember when they used to run on PowerPC chips and Apple claimed they were twice as fast as PCs, but then they switched to Intel and started saying the new Macs were twice as fast as the old PowerPC ones?

@Spoon

I disagree.  Show me a purchased or build yourself PC that can perform the function of "Target Disk Mode"?  This is a feature that no PC other then Apple built ones contain because it is unique to their design and firmware.   Hence this function.....which is extremely useful by the way,  is one of the things you pay for and get benefit of when you purchase an Apple designed PC.

 

 

Target disk mode isn't exactly necessary.  It is only made necessary by Apple's proprietary techniques when it comes to hardware/software troubleshooting.  If they would just let you have more options in the actual OS or be able to do more tinkering with the hardware, you wouldn't need target disk mode at all.  Remote desktop is plenty for doing stuff on a different PC from your PC.  And there are plenty of progarms that do very similar things on PC as target disk mode.

 

It's obvious that you don't know or understand what Target Disk Mode is,  have you in fact ever actually used an Apple PC?

Remote desktop is using one PC from another,  and that function is available on all platforms and is not a differentiating factor between Apple PCs and Windows PCs.

There is no equivalent in the Windows PC world to the functions that Target Disk Mode performs.   And to speak of OS features  (Target Disk Mode isn't an OS feature,  it's a Firmware/BIOS feature),  can you connect a external hard drive to a PC and do a full bootable backup of the PC,  then attach it to another PC and boot from that drive? (Basically migrate your entire PC...OS, Applications, Data and all...from one machine to another)  Apple PC's can do this.......and do it easily because the OS facilitates it. You can imagine how handy this is when you are having trouble with a machine yet need to keep working on a project,  or if you want to keep back ups that can be easily ported between machines/locations.   Apple PC's certainly aren't for everyone.....but an informed user would know the full extent of the features and limitations each solution encompasses,  and then make the decision that best meets their needs.

 

 

Target disk mode is still just 100% pointless.  Yes I have used an Apple PC.  And what you described about taking a backup on an external drive and then booting to it on another machine can be done on PC's as well.  Sure it may take some customizing, and it isn't practical at all (just like with Macs), but it can be done.  The only other real use for the TDM is for cloning a Mac, but with PC's it is incredibly simple to clone a machine and multicast it to hundreds of others all at once.

I wasn't saying that remote desktop was a distinguishing factor, I was saying that there is no point in connecting a Mac with another Mac via firewire, mounting the hard disk, and booting to it on the new machine.  It would be 10x easier if the Mac hardware wasn't so proprietary and all you had to do was move the hard drive from one machine to another rather than the entire machine.  The tasks you can do in TDM can be done with PCs in a much faster and easier fashion.