If you don't believe in the death penalty, this should change your mind.

[Tyrannical]

The Ghost of RubangB said:

Tyrannical said:

The Ghost of RubangB said:

Ah, so legal things are legal.  Good point.  I think we can look up where it's legal and where it's illegal, but I don't think anybody is arguing that.

Well, you seem to like to get moral and legal confused when it suits your arguments.

You seem to say things like this all the time without any examples, so I don't believe you.  If you have been confused by any of my comments feel free to point them out and I'll do my best to make sense of them.  You've also accused me of dishonest misdirection without providing any examples, and you were wrong then too.

Here is where you demonstrate your inability to tell legal and moral appart.

I still don't think a government should have the power to kill.  I think all murders should be against the law, no matter the reason and no matter the killer.  I want criminals and governments to follow the same law: no murders, no executions, no torture.

I just see an individual murdering somebody and a jury murdering somebody as equally bad and not helpful.

Here is your dishonest misdirection. It has nothing to do with the cost, or the possibility of executing the wrongly conviected as you later admit.

The death penalty costs way too much money. There are 2 ways to lower the costs: abolish the death penalty entirely, which will save tons of money (good) and never accidentally kill an innocent person again (very good), or allow for speedier executions with fewer appeals, which will save money (good), but leads to more accidental executions of the innocent (very bad).

I think in this case it is 100% guaranteed the man is guilty of one of the most horrible crimes, but I still don't want to allow the government to kill him