| Louie said: Well you are thinking of animals while I am talking of humans apparently  There has always been an alpha male in human groups, yes. But humans are nonetheless social life forms and the other males only wanted to gain that position if they felt strong enough. It's not like they were constantly fighting for that position. Also human social interaction is a bit more complicated than that. The Alpha male always needed the support of the group. And again: Dogs are social animals as well but they also have an alpha animal. Would you say they are not social now? I know what you're trying to imply which is that without religion we'd still fight for being the alpha guy but it isn't that easy. Humans only "work" as part of a group, otherwise they get depressed. |
That is my point exactly, we only do it b/c we get something out of the situation and if that need is not meet we don’t do it
So humane nature is to only operate as long as we get something out of it
The “golden rule” operates under that but with a twist, it is not a guaranty that we will ever get something back out from applying it, you can only hope that if I scratch your back you will mine
Its just not humane nature to operate after anything but self needs
“im puzzeled, if christians claim that EVERYTHING happens for a reason, then surely that includes bad things people do as well?
either you believe there is a reason for everything or you believe there is no reason for anything, you cant sit on the fence here, either you think theres a reason or you dont, so which is it?
if everything happens for a reason, then Hitler WAS by definition doing gods will, im sorry but you cant say everything then say hitler isnt part of that, its bs
if like me you think things happen, but without divine reason, then why do you need religion?”’
I feel like I have been over this with you so far but again
Everything does happen for a reason, just not always a divine reason, but other times you will get the “miracles” you just have to look for them, but even then you can find a science as to how they happened jut not a why
And it was not gods will that Hitler hurt the world like he did, Gods will has always been for his children to be happy in service of him and reward them for that service, if you were to read my post you would see I have covered this point before, I feel like no your not trying to make a point but rather just put post out there that might cause drama
