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Louie said:
This shouldn't be about "atheist or not", though. I was just trying to say those two men lead a state without relying on god.

What I'm trying to say: An atheist can also have high moral standards and act with respect to other people, etc.

how do they learn them?

 

is is based on society that has norms in place b/c of religion?

 

or is there something i am missing?