| mesoteto said:
and this is the point where you have to just have to take it on faith, until you have it you will never understand, it becomes akin to describing the color green to someone that has never opend their eyes |
Right, exactly.
I don't take these things on faith. Faith, to me, means believing in something because I'm told to believe in it. That doesn't sound either pleasant or wise to me.
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You can tell me how exactly a million thing s works, but since you do not know everything you cant tell me how every thing works, infact right at this moment you couldn’t even tell me how every item you interact with in your every day life works could you, from the way people operate to how the car you might drive works, but at least 90 % of those items you could figure out with the help of Google and others |
No, I can't tell you how everything works. But here's the key: when I don't understand how something works, I don't pretend to.
I feel that many conceptions of God, etc., come from people who (like me) couldn't understand how everything works... but they weren't comfortable with that. And so, they invented explanations. Why do the seasons work as they do? Well... there was this chick named Persephone, and one day...
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How ever just b/c you might not understand how the car your driving works you still believe in the fact that it will stat up and drive, you still believe that the sun will rise and set, and you still believe that you will b alive |
I do believe that my car will start, but not as a matter of dogma. If my car doesn't start one day, my worldview won't come crashing down around my ears. Instead, I'll assume that there's a logical explanation for it, and I'll bring it to those people who have the expertise to determine the problem.
There's no "faith" involved in what I believe about my car. Not all beliefs are religious beliefs--they're not all matters of faith.
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As humane knowledge grows we will eventually reach a point that we can say see this line here on graph page 3890 that is god, that was the right we took when we ate of the fruit and gained knowledge, some day that will happen |
You say that some day that will happen, and I say "how do you know"? Your answer will be "faith" which to me means that you don't really know how you know, which doesn't help me. Does that make sense?
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And until you reach you “ohh there you are” you will not understand, you will disbelieve, and you will be intolerant in some form or another |
I don't see the point to your parting insult, or agree that it's true.
Not agreeing with you =/= "intolerant."
And, with that, I think I'll bow out of our discussion (feel free to have the last word); once we reach the point of "well, it's a matter of faith" then there's nothing more to argue, because faith by its nature cannot be communicated from one person to another. It's a completely personal phenomenon and, in my opinion, a bad basis for belief and action.
