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Exactly. You just gave a great reason for atheism I'll tell you how things worked back when people didn't know about electrons and protons, etc.:

Religious guy: Well, apparently we can't explain where atoms come from so it must be directly related to god.

Atheist: Err... well, maybe we just don't know yet. But we'll know in the future.

Religious guy: Yeah, that's what you guys always say...

I'll promise you one thing: As soon as we find out more about the current mysteries of life it will cause another wave of people leaving the church. Why? Because once more it will be obvious god didn't play a role in it. That's what happened in the past and that's what's going to happen in the future

 

““Sadly those with weaker faith are swayed very easily, however just because you can explain something by science doesn’t mean it cant be attributed to god, why do you think a natural order exists  as it does in this world?, is it b/c a bunch of items simple fell into place one after another until complex systems built them self’s from scratch with out some outside influence guiding them? After all science can tell us why water travels down hill but does that mean god did not set in motion the rules and reasons for it to do that? You cant answer that one b/c you cant know now can you? For all of the science you can produce you still can answer that one question, how did this all start?

And I think you over looked the point of my atom story, it wasn’t that science can prove there are smaller things and thus no god, for the longest time the “scientific” community thought the atom was the smallest until a few scientist were brave enough to go after it and prove it wasn’t. However do you think in all that time when the educated were positive that the atom was the smallest that it actually was? Do you think that just b/c they did not know about quirks and quarks and electrons and protons and neutrons that they simply did not exist?

Oh and I hope you're not trying to imply that me showing you exactly those 13 cards has a deeper meaning... I'm sure it doesn't.

No like I said there is not always a deeper meaning in things, some times a pretty picture is really just a pretty picture, and a bunch of cards are really just a bunch of cards, I was however implying that no matter how random you might be trying to make it there will still be a reason and order to what you are doing,  whether you grabbed this card to start then went five deeper to the next then grabbed this one b/c you really wanted to keep it varied—there will always be a reason and b/c of this random is never really possible

 

And using this argument just at times when you like it (for you it does work for the cards but not for Hitler...) is a) not fair to people having a discussion to you and b) surely wouldn't be accepted by a lot of religious people themselves.

I am to sure about this, are you speaking to me or about religion in general, I am not eh voice of any religion nor would I ever want to claim to be, I am simply a man who has faith and has come to an understanding with himself and his god, and as I have used the argument in a valid point, and I am not sure about eth Hitler comment, if your trying to imply that what happened to the Jewish community was random then you are mistaken, there was nothing random about it as it was all a result of choices made by Hitler and the lack of choices mad by those that could stop him

If you will it was nothing more then a series of events that while snowballing eventually came to a stop