the 9-12 project

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theprof00 said:

TheRealMafoo said:

TheRealMafoo said:

theprof00 said:
haha, that was a nice one mafoo. But it wasn't me making this comparison, it was your side. Are there some states that are like muldova and lithuania? Its your argument to make.

My argument is guns are a means to an end. No one sees a gun and say’s “cool, I can now kill someone”. It’s a tool. There are aspects of this country that increase the murder rate (poverty, poor education, drug trade, etc…). If you removed guns and do not fix these issues, people would murder just as much, they would just find a different tool to accomplish it with.

 

To illustrate my point, people who live in the country, almost to a man, own guns. I would say the percentage of gun owners in rural areas is over 90%. The murder rate in these areas is almost zero.

I live in a small town of 10,000. I would guess 90% of them own a gun (hunting is extremely popular in this area). The last murder here was over 4 years ago.

In the inner city areas, the percentage of people who have guns is far less, yet in this country that’s where almost all murders happen.

With those kinds of statistics, it’s imposable to say guns are the reason people kill. If so, more people per capita in rural areas would die, not less. The reasons for murder would have to be a product of other factors.

I'm going to write this in bold to make sure you read it.

NOBODY IS TAKING AWAY YOUR GUNS, JUST YOUR EASE OF PROCURING THEM!!!!!!
Guns make it easy to kill other people. That is a simple fact, and it's provable. That's what I work with, facts. And the facts show that countries with less access to guns have less murders. Now, in the countryside, sure, you don't have the kinds of stresses and poverty that we have in the city. But that doesn't prevent those guns from going into the city.

The same way that people drive to New Hampshire before 4th of July to buy fireworks and bring them to Boston, people drive to gun shows, buy them without any background check and then sell them to gangs in the city. Just because life is good for you doesn't mean it's our fault. Guns do in fact increase crime. I don't have the statistics  though they are available, but the mere presence of a gun increases chances of deadly incidentsthat would otherwise not be.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=presence+of+a+gun+increases+death&btnG=Search

NObody is saying you can't protect yourselves, but are you really so scared that you need to be able to get a gun within an hour's notice, putting thousands upon thousands of other people at risk by people who order guns off the internet?

 

 

Do you think that if there are more restrictions put on gun ownership, that's going to keep guns out of criminals' hands?  Sort of by definition, criminals aren't going to bother following the rules to get guns, they are going to own them illegally.  So with too many gun laws you're only hurting the vast majority, the law-abiding citizens who want nothing but to protect themselves in case of a robbery or something similar.  And imagine if EVERY household in a country contained a gun - do you really think that would be a detriment, when robbers are more reluctant to rob/mug/etc?

PS I'm not advocating that every household have a gun, clearly that's not prudent or feasible, it's just meant to be a thought experiment.