Rise of atheism: 100,000 Brits seek 'de-baptism'

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Kasz216 said:

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highwaystar101 said:
Wraith priest you are legend in every way, I would love to say that to the random guy in Birmingham city center that keeps telling me I'm a sinner and will burn in hell...

Also, no-one answered this so I shall post again...

OK, for all you believers in god who are intent on asking atheists to back up why they don't believe in god let me ask you a question...


Prove to me, using sound evidence, that your god exists and is the correct one to follow!!!


Now... prove it to me, otherwise the atheists win the thread.

That arguement seems a bit specious.

To a lot of religious faiths the presense of god is in of itself a sense.

As such it would be like trying to explain vision to a blind person... even scientifically it'd be hard to get.

Some people have infact suggested that such a percetion, whether there is a god or not is tied to the temporal lobes.

Whether it is a sense of a higher consiousness, a sense of something else we currently can't understand or simply a hallucinary feeling is unknown.

 

No.

 

Just No.

 

The main difference being that humans have organs to see with, which even if faulty are DEMONSTRATABLY there.

There is no "God Sense" the closest thing theyve found is that certain harmonics such as those produced by church organs can produce "Holy Sensations"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3087674.stm

So that must mean God is a soundwave!

 

Now please come back with some actual evidence for got. Not Psuedo-Scientific rambling or a claim that "God could BE IN the soundwave".

I respect your post count, but not that post.

One

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2003/godonbrain.shtml

Note that in cases of eplipsy it increased the "feeling of not being alone."  Due to increased activation in the temporal lobe.  Note brain damage also causes actual senses to go into "overdrive".

Two.  How do you demonstrate sound to someone who can't hear?

The closest you can do is either have a measure of sound waves via a "crowd meter" or some sort... that doesn't really demonstrate sound to the person just "something" since no matter how much someone "understands" sound a deaf person still isn't going to understand it because they aren't going to know what it "sounds" like.

 

So God could in fact be caused by incorrectly wired sysnapses or brain damage? Hardly good for his CV I'd imagine :D

 

Also I'd say the best way i could think of to demonstrate sound to someone would be to use a large speaker that could be turned up enough for the vibration to show. Then i'd explain to them via text and lip reading what sound is, what sounwaves actually are, how the vibration is picked up by the ear, sent to the brain and decoded in a normal humans mind.

 

Then I'd allow them to use feathers, paper, plastic sheets etc to measure soundwave density and the effects of sound on those things.

 

Basically i'd explain, then demonstrate and then allow them to test and verify the theories themselves. Something no one seems to be able to do with and Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent God.

It could be.  Though it could be simply how a 6th sense works etc..  There are all sorts of theories though right now.

None of that actually explains sound though.  Not sound waves.

Much how someone can explain the 4th dimension... yet nobody could actually understand the 4th dimension because people don't have 4th dimension processing powers.

All you'd see no matter how hard you tried is an average 3D object even if it is a 4th dimensional object.

Amusingly the books like flatland explains the point pretty well... for those particular sects.

 

I think youll find it does, to a degree that both a deaf person could understand and witness and to a hearing person as well.

 

And I think you'll find we DO have a 4th dimensional sense or are you never aware of the passage of time? Our 4th dimensional sense is commonly called  "circadian rythm", which is entirely based upon the turning of the planet during its revolution around the sun. This can only take place due to the passage of time which is why our internal clocks can be so accurate.

1) Time is false.

Time is variable... the faster you move the more time slows down.  It isn't consistant... As Steven Hawking says Space Time as we see it isn't "True Time".  If such a thing as true time exists.  It's in his most famous book.  I'm blanking on the name.  It's a good read.

Furthermore.  All we can see in time is what is happening currently with memories of past time.  Just as in a 2 dimensional world all we would be able to see of a 3D object is what part is currently manifesting, and what parts manifested in the past.  So we don't have true 4th dimensional awareness if it was the 4th dimension.  To have this we would have to be able to see and expierence all time at once.

Like the aliens from Tralfamadore in Slaughterhouse 5.

2) The 4th dimension is totally something different.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_dimension

 

Time isn't variable. The faster you move the slower you experience time, true, but thats not due to time changing, it's all due to how you're observing it.

 

You're point about the 4th dimension i shall concede for now as it is A)Theoretical B) I need to wait until i have learned more.

EDIT - Just noticed it's 2.30AM so i'm off to bed. I look forward to continuing this tomorrow and i have to say im glad this debate managed not (Albeit barely sometimes!) to devolve into an unorchestrated flamefest! Night everyone! :D