If You Could Ask God ONE QUESTION

[mmnin]

WessleWoggle said:

tombi123 said:

mmnin said:

:)  What we consider absolute is not the same as what an all powerful God would consider absolute. Where we have one instance in our existence, He would have many.

Do you believe in fate tombi or do you believe that we make choices and have a right to choose whatever actions we make?

 

I don't believe in fate or destiny. I do believe we make choices and have a right to choose whatever actions we make, as long as those choices don't harm others. The right for me to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins.

 

You don't have to believe in fate or destiny, it simply is so. You thinking you have a choice is simply an illusion caused by your logic determing that you think you have a choice , based on the fact that it seems to be the most logical answer to you, because you're concious and can feel like you're choosing things. You may feel like you're choosing to do something, but that's because you have selected it to be to most suitable world view. Everything is deterministic. I may be choosing to smoke, but it was written in the starts. Note me saying it was written in the stars is figurative, I don't believe in astrology.

There's no such thing as choice. I'm not even choosing to write this. My brain is determining to, even though I do give myself the illusion of choice by doing this, and I could give myself an alternate illusion of choice by determining to do something else, like not post this. But I feel the need to post this because from a logical standpoint we do not have choice.

Only from delusions can we somehow think we have any choice in anything. For example, a man is pointing a gun at you, he says he's going to shoot. You can choose to move and not be shot, or stay and be shot. The obvious choice is to move. Why is it obvious? Because your brain has determined that, either conciously through logic, or subconciously through survival instinct. What if someone chooses not to move? Their concious logic overcame their survival instinct, they did not make the 'choice' to die, even though they thought they did. Something - a cause - effected their decision to move, some influence that they encountered. There is no way to escape the fact that everything is predetermined.

Everything is the result of cause and effect, fate. Believe it or not, the fact that you don't believe it is simply more proof of cause and effect...

Cause: Conciousness, awareness

Effect: You think you have a choice and deny that everything is deterministic

 

 

 

This is also a possibility.  :)  I haven't actually decided on this one which is closer to accurate, they both could exist in "my" mind logically.  I have had talks like this with friends before going over the same points and more.  Thank you for joining the discussion.