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i dont expect a $400 80g at all, thats why i said i half expect no-change and half expect $100 off both [$500 80G], but some people [not me until, like you say winter 08] seem to be expecting a $400 80g.

as for sales, 360 did near 3mil for last years Nov/Dec, so i expect similar sales [maybe a bit more], ps3 i expect maybe 2.5-3mil, and Wii 5-6 mill [could get 8 with enough supply, but it wont have that]