TheRealMafoo said:
The_vagabond7 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
The_vagabond7 said:
Just as a hypothetical, would you be against universal healthcare coverage if somebody came up with a fantastic plan that didn't have any of the supposed major flaws of other UHC plans? If it could be set up that the government had very efficient, cost effective method of offering healthcare to everyone with little to no wait time funded by a small tax on some common products (hypothetical here, not realistic), would you be against it on ideological grounds? Would you deny people healthcare if they didn't "earn" it? Simply as a hypothetical, not as a "well that's not realistic, that would never happen" ect ect. If there was great, effecient, cheap universal healthcare for everyone in america would you be angry about it because deadbeats could have get great health care the same as factory workers who could have it the same as highly educated hedge fund owners? |
I am all for stepping in and fixing healthcare. And if what you say could be done, I would not be against it.
It would be against my ideology, but if what you painted could be done, I would not argue against it.
But there has never been an example of government running anything well. I would be much more for government reform then I would the government taking over.
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So then it's not that you think Healthcare shouldn't be a right, but that you don't think the government is capable of doing it. Earlier you said that the government can remove a right, which shows the subjectivity of rights. Really man has no "rights" so to speak, except that which his group provides him. We can say that we have "The right to live a life where others do no harm to you" but that's only a right because a government says so. If James Madison said healthcare was a basic human right (hypothetically of course), would you think it was? Or would you think it's still a matter of entitlement, only for the people that can afford it? I only ask because I want to understand your mindset in these discussions. |
The government only doing what Madison wanted was lost a long time ago.
Paved roads are not a right, but I don't mind government running the roads.
A healthcare system with little requirement from the people would be against my ideology, as I think it's the government doing something it has no business doing. But if they did it well, I would just let it go, and not fight it. |
So why don't you mind the government running the roads? Couldn't private industry do it better? And it's not a right either. So why are government owned roads ok, but government run hospitals bad?
