Gaming BUSINESS MODEL is changing, no more X360 sucessor

[shio]

Gh0st4lifE said:

shio said:

That's an awkward thinking. Europe had the choice of choosing between PC and Consoles, and today PC is completely dominating Europe with the exception of 4/5 countries. Even have a look at Japan - it once was the mecha for consoles, but now the Japanese console industry is declining while PC's online gaming in Japan is actually increasing fairly it seems.

 

How would PC dominate consoles in Europe when Asia accounts for half of PCs' revenue ?

That leaves 5 billions for the rest of the world and Europe 3 ; how is the european console market going to be less than three billion $ ?

And about my supposed awkward thinking. Would you take the chinese growing car industry (a market previously exempted of cars) as an example of the worldwide situation (a market saturated with cars) ?

Asia was approaching half of PC's revenue in 2007, didn't reach it back then. It should be maybe be $4.3 billions. Either way, most of the rest of the revenue ($6.2 billions) should be made in Europe, which is alot considering Europe is not as big a market as North-America.

In 2007, US:

Retail Console games: $6.6 billions.

Retail PC games: $900 millions.
Online Subscriptions: $1 billion (nearly all of it from PC obviously)
Digital Distribution = Retail x 2/3 = $600 millions (took the 2-to-3 of DD compared to Retail in the Horizon Report)
= $2.5 billions + little stuff like ad revenue = $2.8 billions + 10% (Canada) = $3 billions.

That gives a 2.2-to-1 proportion, which is pretty awesome for PC in NA (31% marketshare for PC, 69% for the 4 consoles).

Europe:
10.7 - 4.2 - 3= $3.5 billions

Knowing that European console market is smaller than NA's, it prolly was something like $5.3bn. 40% PC, 60% Consoles.

Thing is, unlike the car industry, PC gaming is increasing well in the western world, so that analogy doesn't work.

Onyxmeth said:

shio said:

Onyxmeth said:

Huh? So PC is dominating in 1/5 countries then? How is that domination? Sounds like 20% to me.

Also the console decline probably has a lot more to do with the rise of handheld gaming in Japan than the rise of PC gaming. What exactly is being developed with Japanese audiences in mind on PC? Almost everything seems to be American or European influenced in nature.

 

I mean only 4 or 5 european countries are console-centric. It's hard to tell sometimes if some1 is being sarcastic or just a complete bore.

The japanese developers are making their own PC games. So we start seeing more and more MMORPGs like that Persona MMO and Monster Hunter Online. Imo, MMORPGs are the perfect fit for japanse gamers since they can create their own lolicons and keep "grinding" monsters like they already did on JRPGs.

 

So youre basing your entire theory of PCs increasing over consoles in Japan on two unproven MMOs?

 

Capcom claimed Monster Hunter Online was the most successful MMO in Japan or something. But my point is that there's more and more japanese MMOs coming that proves PC Online Revenue in Japan is healthier than ever.

slowmo said:
I've read everything you've posted Shio and my belief is PC gaming is still not expanding quicker than consoles in the main markets. China shouldn't be included anyway given the very closed nature of the country.

By the time this console generation ends there will have been more consoles sold in total than ever before in my opinion. Also PC gaming goes in cycles, the mini slump its suffered will vanish in the next year or two.

China is opening up for PC gaming. The great Relic entertainment is launching/has launched Company of Heroes Online and EA is releasing Need for Speed World Online in Asia first. And let's not even talk about Blizzard. No doubt much more games will be released to catter all regions. There's also many good asian PC games coming to the western world, such as Aion and Otherland.

Actually, PC's Digital Distribution is growing faster than China's Online. DD Services like Steam and Gamersgate are increasing over 100% every year. Stardock's Impulse is nearing 1 million users and it hasn't even reached it's first birthday. Amazon just released their own service a few weeks ago.