Can someone please tell me where USA went? I can’t find it.

[The_vagabond7]

Kasz216 said:

SciFiBoy said:

The_vagabond7 said:
How many people want a world wide economic collapse over a more socialistic america? A surprising amount. Fuck the world, we aren't having any goverment owned banks. Who do you think we are?!?! THE FUCKING SWEDES? Not in my country.

And whoever said that right and wrong are forever and shouldn't change, go read the old testament and tell me how much of that you would want to retain in today's modern age. Right and wrong are circumstantial. No Holy man (founding fathers included) have 100% timeless advice that should be adhered to at all times. They are products of the time they live in. Following the philosophies of one man or group of men no matter what is just idealism, which is a horrific way to lead.

 

im a tad confused, are you pro or anti Obama?

I don't think he's either.

But yeah... Sweden definitly isn't doing any better either.

Really there is no way to lower risk when it comes to this kind of stuff since the regulations will always play with the politicians people will ALWAYS notice a mild recession.

The US people do anyway... and everytime there was a hint of one greenspan would screw with it so we had a few more years of borrowed prosperity.

The international community actually used the financial crisis to it's advantage to get Sweeden to open up it's account info some more.  Since if they didn't they were going to blacklist the country which would lose it some investments... and sweden is desperate to keep investors.

All of this is true. My gripe is more with the idea that America shouldn't go any more left based on some group of ancient holy men's ideas because socialism and other left leaning idealogies are inherently evil in a deontological way, that it's just a given that they're wrong in all their forms and at all times, and can contribute nothing because it's unamerican (Adams, Washington, Moses, they all said so more or less) is just mind boggling to me. Free market capitalism is deeply flawed in it's purest form, which is why America hasn't had it for a long time. If a person thinks that there are better ways to solve the economic crisis, fine. I can think of some other ideas myself. But the religious fervor dedicated to men who lived in different times as a justification for things being right or wrong is ridiculous. Adams was not the son of bog, so I really don't give a fuck about what he would think about today's america.